And by the way, I’m a fan of some other stuff that isn’t on the market yet. Gotta plan ahead.
Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 2:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies Yea, I like to look ahead and be prepared for it which is why I’m not interested in Ubiquiti Solar. My last bet 3 years ago is about to pay off starting this month which I hinted at last article. A bird in the hand doesn’t always apply to technology but once it’s a manufacturing problem instead of a development process, then I get a little more interested. Peroksvite is a manufacturing problem and the Chinese are cranking up the manufacturing right now. My suggestion, don’t bet against it. At minimum, it will also provide a boost to existing solar technology http://www.chemborun.com/p-Perovskite-Solar-Cells-245085/Hole-Transport-Materials-245087/ Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 1:51 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies I think Rory must own stock in perovskite lol. How else can someone be such a fan boy of a nonexistent product. On Monday, December 14, 2015, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote: Throw in the cost of the money and it goes up a little more. The panels also aren’t going to be 100% at 20 years so there is a reduction of savings. But again, the argument is that if Peroksvite has an ROI of 6 months or it has a higher efficiency level, then there is additional savings. Then there is the chance that battery costs come down in the next 4 years for additional savings. In our case, the majority of our electrical use is actually at night with the car charging and solar doesn’t help us there. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 1:09 PM To: af@afmug.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies Look at it this way, I invested $10K and some labor. My 2015 savings is $2041. It would have been more but I discovered this weekend that one of my inverters has been offline for a while. Based on my data probably 3 months or so. In any event, I have $2401 more in my pocket to spend each year for the next 20 years guaranteed. They will probably still be running strong in 40 years for my grandchildren to use. That is a 24% return on the investment. Where else can you get that kind of return? From: Rory Conaway<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net');> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies Even with your ROI Chuck, and mine would be higher, if Peroksvite hits the market in 3 years, the ROI, still makes it a better value. However, the average person is still going to be at 7 years or more. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 12:58 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies stop making sense Chuck....it makes head blow up Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');>> wrote: It more than cut my power bill in half. From: Rory Conaway<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net');> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 12:09 PM To: af@afmug.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies It might have been reasonable until Perovskite was announced. It will have an ROI in months. For me, a grid-tie system doesn’t make sense with the additional fees and the difference in wholesale/retail, especially with an electric car that is only home at night. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:53 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies even at 7-11 years, that isn't that unreasonable, since they should have quite a bit longer life span than that... and you don't need any storage with a grid-tie system. On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net');>> wrote: Did you buy it wholesale and build it yourself? The average installation commercially or through any of the solar companies is 7-11 years. Also, what are you doing for storage? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:43 AM To: af@afmug.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies I love my solar panels and the payback is about 4 years. From: Rory Conaway<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net');> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:15 AM To: af@afmug.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies The two biggest problems with Wind Farms besides the eyesore (actually I think they look cool) is noise and bird deaths. Never been a fan of them though. Right now I’m against taxpayer subsidized solar for three reasons, the ROI is ridiculous, and better/cheaper technologies are right around the corner (100 times cheaper and ROI’s of months, not years), and there is no cost-effective storage medium that is going to last more than a few years (Lithium batteries are expensive and will fail within 3-8 years or at least be heavily degraded). When Perovskite panels come out with sodium batteries or one of several other technologies that don’t start degrading after 18 months, I’m onboard. As for people against technology that could better their lives. I’m more worried about the ones that won’t teach proven science for religious reasons. You can teach science and morality without ignoring the science. Tolerance of ignorance never a good thing. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 9:58 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies As far as I can see all the crazy sucking the energy up and causing cancer type comments all came from two people (who were not council members)... who happen to share the same last name. It sounds like the reason they voted to reject it was because the residents didn't want it there... which is kind of the town council should be doing, whether their reasons for wanting it there are logical or not isn't entirely relevant. Most of the objections appear to have been that it would be an eyesore... on the other hand, if the majority of the residents did want it to happen, and the town council was just persuaded to turn it down because of a couple of nutcases ranting, they should (and probably will) be voted out in the next election. On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','par...@cyberbroadband.net');>> wrote: I really didn't gather the full reason they banned the solar farm from the article. True, two citizens that made comments were nuts but you find that anywhere. Patrick Leary wrote: Even worse Rory, because then you have many people who claim to know the meaning of these labels but they are simply incorrect and are repeating sound bites, and/or misapply them as a matter of course, even in contradiction without a trace of irony. …e.g., “Obama is a follower of Reverend Wright!!!,” but is also a Kenyan born Muslim. Go figure. It’s the death of critical thinking in this country. It has spawned lots of ignorance. Did you know an elected city zoning board in Woodland, NC just banned a solar farm on the grounds that it would steal too much of the sun’s energy, thus putting photosynthesis of plants and crops at risk? Yeah, that just happened in the U.S.A….in 2015. http://www.roanoke-chowannewsherald.com/2015/12/08/woodland-rejects-solar-farm/ Patrick *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 8:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies I think that was misunderstood. My point was, regardless of the candidates, is that the vast majority of voters simply don’t know the facts, don’t care about the facts, and are not prepared to provide a vote that is based on research and education. I can ask 10 people what the Trans Pacific Partnership was about and 10 of them won’t have a clue. Show a picture of Biden to 10 people and I’d be surprised if 8 of them recognize him and his position in the government. Most of them don’t have any idea of our country’s history, could tell you the difference between Democracy, Socialism, and Communism, or even know who fought in World Wars, the Civil War, or even which side won. The fact is, even with all the resources available to the public today, the average voter is more ignorant today than in the past. The all know the Kardashians but few of them could name off their Senators or Congressman. This isn’t partisan, this is the state of our country today. Picking out supporters of any candidate for being ignorant is trite when the entire electorate is clueless. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 6:19 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies Not trying to offend anyone on list....I get kick out of all mayhem on news...but if you do get offended....I can only say. If the shoe fits...don't take it off. On Dec 13, 2015 6:08 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','part15...@gmail.com');> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','part15...@gmail.com');>>> wrote: It's actually a sign of great intelligence to simultaneously hold two opposite opinions at the same time. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 12/13/2015 5:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: I think calling people ignorant because they support an opposing candidate is over simplification and pretty ignorant itself. Trump is appealing to the base fears and anger for a large number of people who believe nobody else is addressing th those concerns. I had to laugh today. I saw some consultant interviewing a bunch Trump supporters. Some lady said she didn't like Obama because he was arrogant and thought to much of himself. I thought, "wait a second. You are a trump supporter?" Doesn't Trump have nearly the entire market cornered on that trait? On Sun, Dec 13, 2015, 6:50 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','losguyswirel...@gmail.com');> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','losguyswirel...@gmail.com');>>> wrote: And I like Mickey Mouse's voice much better compared to Cruz or Trumps... On Dec 13, 2015 5:44 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','losguyswirel...@gmail.com');> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','losguyswirel...@gmail.com');>>> wrote: Lets fact check Rory....lol On Dec 13, 2015 5:03 PM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net');> <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net');>>> wrote: Really, and Hillary supporters don’t even acknowledge she sold influence in that State Department for billions and took hundreds of millions for bogus speeches. All candidates have followers that really don’t know what’s going on so singling out Trump is bogus if you don’t add the voters who thought Obama was going to pay their mortgage (that was a real Einstein moment). With 90% of the people not even knowing who the vice-president is, you can always find idiots who will vote for Mickey Mouse if he said he was for some hot political topic. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>>] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2015 3:10 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies The scary thing Stefan is not Trump as much as his followers...when they are interviewed it reminds how narrow minded they are...they think professional wrestling is real among other things but I might offend some on list... On Dec 13, 2015 2:26 PM, "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','s...@genias.net');> <mailto:s...@genias.net<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','s...@genias.net');>>> wrote: I said foreign view :-). We have very different laws and thoughts on privacy. Our politicians are allowed to keep more privacy. In such a case the private emails would not be open to a broad audience. I did not say she followed US rules. -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- Von: Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lewis.berg...@gmail.com');> <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lewis.berg...@gmail.com');>>> Datum: 13.12.2015 21:40 (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> <mailto:af@afmug.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies ************************************************************************************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ************************************************************************************ ************************************************************************************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ************************************************************************************
