I suspect you actually need the foliage to scatter more signal your way, especially if there is something more than just the trees blocking the path.
Also, in the very rare circumstances I have shot 5 GHz through trees, I have noticed that it is affected by wind blowing the branches around. You might have better success with a lower frequency. The fact that the trees are only 1/10 mile from one end is of course not optimal. Any reason you need to be 40 feet up at the house? You say urban area, is this to get over other buildings? If not, like others have said, experiment with going lower to see if it’s multipath off the ground when the leaves are gone. Although such experiments are easier with equipment that has tone alignment. Maybe a UBNT bargraph would be good enough. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 2:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NLOS, 5ghz, Foliage, and Rain Directional antennas with good shields, might be another option. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 12:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NLOS, 5ghz, Foliage, and Rain I haven't tried, but I would doubt it.� Urban Area.� Sitting inside my house, I can pickup 5 of my neighbors Cable/DSL Modems. On 12/23/2015 12:26 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: Nate, can you get enough bandwidth through a 10MHz 2.4GHz signal? � Rory � From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NLOS, 5ghz, Foliage, and Rain � I'm not sure which end is getting multipath, as both ends signal is affected equally.� The Foliage is closer to the low end.� Antenna height at the low end is at about 40'� I estimate the trees to be about 80' and about 1/10 mile out.� On 12/23/2015 12:17 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: yeah sometimes 3' up or down makes a world of difference. On 12/23/2015 1:15 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Nate, � Chuck is right. How high are the radios on each end of the link? Sometimes you can get around multipath issues by changing the radio heights. Most of the time I see improvements by lowering the height on the side that's suspected of getting the multipath. � On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Used to be that folks that used my superstingers reported better multipath resistance than yagis at 900 MHz.� I think that a larger capture area may have something to do with it.� � From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:05 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NLOS, 5ghz, Foliage, and Rain � Powerbridge has a wider beamwidth and picks up from "around the trees".� I've seen this only at a customer site with a Beam vs Nanostation.� Roughly the same signal but the Beam was absolutely worthless compared to the Nanostation. � � Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 � On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote: Is it inherent to the spectrum, or will different radios cope with it differently?� I think I remember that being one of the claims to fame of the PTP600, was that it handled multipath better. On 12/23/2015 11:59 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Trees were eating up multi path that is now harming your signal. -----Original Message----- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:58 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] NLOS, 5ghz, Foliage, and Rain I have a PTP NLOS link which is working the opposite of what I expect, and I'm having trouble understanding it.� It is a NLOS link in 5ghz (2.5 mile link, Urban area, <1/8 Mile is NLOS). UBNT, 2' dish to a Powerbridge.� Here's the part I can't figure out.� Over the summer, when the trees are leafed in, the link is rock solid, no signal change, No modulation change. Rain, Shine, Night, Day, stays exactly the same.� However, over the winter, when there are no leaves, it loses signal, and the signal and modulation fluctuate dramatically. Rain will drop the link out.� I have tried re-alignment after the foliage has dropped off, and was not able to gain signal, or change the pattern at all.� I'm guessing it must be some sort of Multi-path/reflection that the foliage is blocking. Would a different radio handle this better than the UBNT?� Like if I changed it to EPMP, AF5x, or PTP600 would it act differently?� Or is there something else at play that I haven't thought of? � � � � �
