The next generation of Inmarsat I-5 satellites will be somewhat
revolutionary for maritime services...  Previous Inmarsat stuff on the I-3
and I-4 satellites was (and is) L and S-band based and very low capacity in
terms of each spot beam.

http://www.inmarsat.com/the-i-5-satellites/

http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/inmarsat-5.htm

An I-5 user terminal will look like a small flat panel phased array Ka-band
antenna (for non-moving use) or a 0.2 to 0.3 meter sized parabolic
motorized self aiming/aligning dish in a radome, for maritime applications.


The thing about Inmarsat it that it's all controlled by one company, the
equipment is generally proprietary, whereas if a company sets themselves up
as a regular C, Ku and Ka-band VSAT teleport operator the equipment can be
pieced together from 15+ different manufacturers, there's industry
standards that apply, and the satellite space segment capacity (bent-pipe
FDD transponders in geostaionary orbit) is owned by 15+ different companies
(Intelsat, SES, Eutelsat, Chinasat, the russians that run the Yamal series
satellites, etc)


On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:

> My business partner was trying to get me to go along with a 20 meter dish
> (at our HQ) to hit imarsat to serve oil rigs in Sakhalin island.  I did not
> like any aspect of the deal, especially the fact the Russians would not
> give us any assurances that we retain ownership, that we have exclusivity
> or even simple permission to serve etc etc.  Good thing too, they took over
> and privatized all the oil gear in that area about a year later.  I am so
> glad I held back.  Business partner only lost $25K on that venture.  I lost
> nothing.
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 2:05 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines
>
> Looks like the remains of pedestal foundations for dishes the same age and
> era as the Jamesburg dish, which is becoming increasingly rotted/rusted as
> the current owner is determined to sell it, but only for a very high price:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamesburg_Earth_Station
>
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/02/earth-station-the-afterlife-of-technology-at-the-end-of-the-world/252454/
>
> http://www.jamesburgdish.org/
>
>
> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2012/01/for-sale-nuclear-bomb-proof-space-station-in-carmel-valley.html
>
>
> In modern satellite telecommunications it's useless, as any money in the
> range of $150-200k that could be put into refurbishing it (such as for
> C-band SCPC services to South Pacific island nations that are within
> transponder reach of the US west coast) would be better spent on a
> new-build modern 13 meter Andrew/Commscope dish.
>
> Or on a triplet set of redundant 3.5 meter size o3b terminals
> (active/active/standby spare) and the lower monthly cost of o3b service.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Supposedly this one was dismantled:
>>
>> http://long-lines.net/places-routes/HanoverCS_IL/index.html
>>
>> but the dishes or some remains of them still seem visible on Google
>> Earth.  I seem to remember the list will not allow .kmz attachments, but
>> here are the coordinates:
>>
>> 42°18'35.02"N,  90°21'25.38"W
>>
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 2:13 PM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines
>>
>> I find it interesting how the very oldest C-band satellite earth stations
>> (like Brewster, WA) were usually located in very remote/rural areas and
>> even intentionally in valleys to shield them from terrestrial emissions.
>> Brewster was such a great site for a quiet earth station that there is a
>> huge radio telescope colocated just a couple of km away further down the
>> valley.
>>
>> In the modern era with tight RPE Ku and Ka-band earth station dishes it's
>> totally feasible to put a 4.5m Tx/Rx dish on the roof of a building in or
>> near a major metro area (example: the recently built Ka-band sites located
>> near Spokane, WA and Denver, CO) and make efficient use of spectrum without
>> much worry about interference.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Hardy, Tim <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 4 GHz is still a fixed point-to-point band, but it’s extremely difficult
>>> to engineer anything new due to the thousands of satellite ground stations
>>> that share the band on a co-primary basis.  The HFT crowd has been
>>> coordinating 4 GHz between Chicago and New York and it will be interesting
>>> to see if any of this actually gets built.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Engineering 6 GHz point-to-point can be just as difficult in many areas
>>> due to co-primary satellite uplinks that are licensed full-band, full arc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 2:11 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The great Chuck has spoken...probably read something similar in CQ rag
>>> when God was a baby..
>>>
>>> On Jan 28, 2016 12:07 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> There was a time when C band satellite shared spectrum with terrestrial
>>> microwave.  In a town I grew up near, they had a hard time with their first
>>> HBO TVRO installation due to a Pacific Northwest Bell radio a few blocks
>>> away.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* George Skorup <[email protected]>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:03 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They regularly did 6 and 11 common carrier bands. I don't remember what
>>> 4GHz was paired with, possibly 8GHz.
>>>
>>> On 1/28/2016 8:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> They made some crazy circular feeds for those horns.  You could put a
>>> very wide range of frequencies through them and with the correct feed, you
>>> can have many radios and many different bands on all at the same time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Erich Kaiser <[email protected]>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2016 6:26 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> More info on the Horns
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.telephonecollectors.info/index.php/wiring-diagrams/doc_view/8708-402-421-100-i3
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>
>>> North Central Tower
>>>
>>> [email protected]
>>>
>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>
>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> We deployed 6ghz microwave utilizing the horn antennas, they require
>>> maintenance but, work really well...That was the network I sold to JAB/T6.
>>> They have no idea how that stuff works or any care to learn...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=KS-15676+microwave&rlz=1C2GGGE___US556US556&biw=1920&bih=911&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJp9vxq8vKAhUmvIMKHSrKBMIQ_AUICSgE&dpr=1#imgrc=8xtXypST-6HK4M%3A
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I still have waveguide parts(Keeping) and circular waveguide(Which is
>>> going to the scrap yard)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Awesome stuff... Still CatA for 6ghz.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>
>>> North Central Tower
>>>
>>> [email protected]
>>>
>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>
>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> there is a "Long Lines" coffee table book.
>>>
>>> For all of you that would like to geek out on some antenna porn ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://spencerjharding.com/project/the-long-lines/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://spencerjharding.com/books/the-long-lines/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -sean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are some amazing Long Lines sites in WA and ID that serve almost
>>> no useful purpose, now that all long distance traffic moves via fiber...
>>> The ones closer to major metro areas have more tenants and more value to
>>> their new owners.
>>>
>>> The Long Lines sites that were built solely as a means to get a PTP
>>> relay over a major mountain range are amazing. Built with massive diesel
>>> tanks and ventilation intakes 18' off the ground due to snow pack. These
>>> ones have the original horn antennas and not much else, maybe some VHF/UHF
>>> omni radio repeaters for forestry/national parks.
>>>
>>> Bethel Ridge WA, about 1820 meters elevation
>>> https://www.google.com/maps?ll=46.71724,-121.10068&z=14&t=h
>>>
>>> Goldendale WA
>>> https://www.google.com/maps?ll=45.99800,-120.69536&z=14&t=h
>>>
>>> Leadore ID, one of the highest I can find, it's at 2750m elevation
>>> https://www.google.com/maps?ll=45.99800,-120.69536&z=14&t=h
>>>
>>> Bring a snow-cat in winter....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a bunch I took of a Long Lines concrete tower in Springfield, OH
>>> that was being torn down on my FB somewhere.
>>>
>>> Then there's long-lines.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From: *"Mike Hammett" <[email protected]>
>>> *To: *[email protected]
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:56:50 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines
>>>
>>> I didn't get enough pics on this site:
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cfk3jvi6u5jaq1x/AACv12KJ32ZrUbw5mwSuAVuxa?dl=0
>>> Lots of awesome stuff here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]>
>>> *To: *[email protected]
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:41:12 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines
>>>
>>> Some of the old AT&T sites are cool. Hardened bunkers with walls many
>>> feet thick.
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2016 7:36 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, you wouldn’t want information like this getting out:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://wikimapia.org/10668587/AT-T-Norway-IL-Class-1-Switching-Center
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not a big secret, since it’s a very distinctive looking tower visible
>>> from 10-20 miles away due to the high ground it sits on.  It was also one
>>> of the ground sites for the Air Force 1 secure communications network, I
>>> don’t know if that’s still operational, I think maybe it is.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Last I heard DeKalb, IL is still an active fiber POP.  Tower is not
>>> used, but they won’t least space or sell it.  It’s right in town and not a
>>> very well kept secret.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* George Skorup <[email protected]>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:20 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AT&T Long Lines
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But AT&T is the devil, so again, just sayin.
>>>
>>> On 1/26/2016 7:16 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> Ha...as if we are afraid of AT&T....I know most on this list have ripped
>>> tags off  sofas and mattresses.  So there
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2016 6:09 PM, "George Skorup" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> AT&T doesn't like it when you list active sites. Just sayin.
>>>
>>> On 1/26/2016 11:33 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>>>
>>> It has tons in the midwest, I think I unchecked several sections before
>>> I saved the KML. I was looking only at the Pacific Northwest. Open the
>>> drop-down arrow that is the main category and re-check the other 4 or 5
>>> categories.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Keefe John <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Nothing in the midwest either.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/26/2016 9:51 AM, Jerry Head wrote:
>>>
>>> Same here for Alabama.
>>>
>>> On 1/26/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>>
>>> It doesn't have most of the Kentucky ones.  Interesting...I can name a
>>> bunch more...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:50 PM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks like the list may be removing attachments...  Here's the file:
>>>
>>> http://tengigabit.ca/~eric/ATT_longlines_USA.kmz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Gerard Dupont III <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Did the list scrub the attachment? Link maybe?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gerard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I recently came across this KML file online. It's KML/KMZ format for
>>> Google Earth.
>>>
>>> I thought I knew where all the notable towers in WA state were, but
>>> turns out I was missing a few on my previously self-made AT&T Long Lines
>>> map. Kudos to whoever put this together.
>>>
>>>
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