It happens during system start before raid array assembly and before OS boot
On May 15, 2016 8:34 AM, "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> wrote:

> How would staggered drive start up work?  Or is the array not available
> until the timer is done?
>
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> On May 15, 2016 1:01 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> A lot of the dell servers I use, as well as a lot of the supermicro
>> servers have that as well. Thankfully many of the RAID JBOD cards I
>> use (softraid ftw, and zfs doesn't like it either) can also stagger
>> drive startup.
>>
>> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 11:13 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > It would be interesting to note that, we are putting in some new
>> servers,
>> > and in the bios these have a setting that delays a random amount of time
>> > between 50 - 120seconds, before returning to power on state after a
>> power
>> > loss   .....
>> >
>> > :)
>> >
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> > 7266 SW 48 Street
>> > Miami, FL 33155
>> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> >
>> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]>
>> > To: [email protected]
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 11:40:09 PM
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center temperatures
>> >
>> > I remembering being at a data center on a hot summer day.   Power went
>> out,
>> > generator started.  Things were fine... then all the air conditioners
>> > switched on at the same time.  Actually stalled the generator.  We  had
>> to
>> > put sequencers on the AC.
>> >
>> > From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 9:20 PM
>> > To: [email protected]
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center temperatures
>> >
>> > FYI, Electrical Code (NECA) and most datacenters require the power not
>> to be
>> > loaded beyond 80% of breaker capacity... i.e. 16amp draw on a 20amp
>> circuit.
>> >
>> > Additionally, one also has to have head room on the power circuit to
>> deal
>> > with start up draw (current rush). It's not pretty when you have a crap
>> load
>> > of servers starting up all together
>> >
>> >
>> > :)
>> >
>> > Faisal Imtiaz
>> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> > 7266 SW 48 Street
>> > Miami, FL 33155
>> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> >
>> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected]
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]>
>> > To: [email protected]
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 7:50:22 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center temperatures
>> >
>> > How does a 44U cabinet need 208V 60A for storage arrays?
>> >
>> > In a 4U chassis the max hard drives (front and rear) is about 60 x
>> 3.5"...
>> >
>> > Say each drive is 7.5W TDP, that's 450W of drives. Add another 200W for
>> > controller/motherboard and fans. 650W in 4U.
>> >
>> > 44 / 4 = 11
>> >
>> > Multply by 650
>> >
>> > 7150W
>> >
>> > More realistically with a normal amount of drives (like 40 per 4U) a
>> single
>> > 208 30A is sufficient,
>> >
>> > 208 x 30 = 6240W
>> >
>> > Run at max 0.85 load on the circuit, so
>> >
>> > 6240 x 0.85 = 5304W
>> >
>> > In a really dense 2.5" environment all of the above is of course
>> invalid,
>> > you could probably need up to 7900W per cabinet
>> > Then there's 52U cabinets as well...
>> >
>> > On May 13, 2016 6:16 PM, "Paul Stewart" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yup … general trends on new data centers are pushing those temperatures
>> > higher for efficiency but also with better designs ..
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > One of our data centers runs at 78F and have no issues – each cabinet is
>> > standard 208V 30A as you mention but can go per cabinet much higher if
>> > needed (ie. 208V 60A for storage arrays)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
>> > Sent: May 11, 2016 5:15 PM
>> >
>> >
>> > To: [email protected]
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center temperatures
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > There have been some fairly large data set studies done shown that air
>> > intake temperature for huge numbers of servers, at 77-78F does not
>> correlate
>> > with a statistically significant rate of failure.
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2008/09/18/intel-servers-do-fine-with-outside-air/
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2012/03/23/too-hot-for-humans-but-google-servers-keep-humming/
>> >
>> > how/what you do for cooling is definitely dependent on the load.
>> Designing a
>> > colo facility to use a full 208V 30A circuit per cabinet (5.5kW) in a
>> > hot/cold air separated configuration is very different than 'normal'
>> older
>> > facilities that are one large open room.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > I’m not sure you can answer the question without knowing the max heat
>> load
>> > per cabinet and how you manage airflow in the cabinets.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > AFAIK it used to be standard practice to keep data centers as cold as
>> > possible without requiring people to wear parkas, but energy efficiency
>> is a
>> > consideration now.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: That One Guy /sarcasm
>> >
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 3:51 PM
>> >
>> > To: [email protected]
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center temperatures
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > apparently 72 is the the ideal for our noc, i set our thermostat to 60
>> and
>> > it always gets turned back to 72, so i just say fuck it, I wanted new
>> gear
>> > in the racks anyway
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Larry Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Wed May 11 2016 15:37, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> >> Just curious what the ideal temp is for a data center.  Our really nice
>> >> building that Sprint ditched ranges from 60 to 90F (on a site monitor).
>> >
>> > I try to keep my NOC room at about 62F, that puts many of the CPU's
>> > at 83 to 90F.  Many of the bigger places I visit will generally be 55 to
>> > 60F.
>> > Loads of computers (data center type) are primarily groupings of little
>> > heaters...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Larry Smith
>> > [email protected]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team as
>> > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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