Yeah, I don't know. It was just the first thing that came to mind.

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm still trying to figure this out, since any Hawaii-to-Hawaii flight
> going between any two islands could be beyond 12 nautical miles, but still
> be within the exclusive economic zone, no?
>
>
> This is the sort of question that probably ends up in an Admiralty Law
> course.
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Jason McKemie <
> [email protected]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>
>> Meaning they don't want it going through international territory.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> [email protected]
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They don't want people flying stuff into / out of Hawaii via drone? i.e.
>>> internationally
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wonder what is the deal with the part about Hawaii. I understand
>>>> about DC since there's a huge drone no-fly-zone for security reasons there,
>>>> but this?
>>>>
>>>> * The flight occurs wholly within the bounds of a State and *
>>>> *does not involve transport between (1) Hawaii and *
>>>> *another place in Hawaii through airspace outside *
>>>> *Hawaii; *
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Matt Kahle <[email protected]
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It looks like laws changed as of today.
>>>>> http://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Part_107_Summary.pdf and it appears most
>>>>> of the pages including the application for the section 333 exemption are 
>>>>> no
>>>>> longer live. You will now have to pass an in person test administered at a
>>>>> FAA testing facility or in my case as a Part 61 pilot take an online
>>>>> training course.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What about the farmers using drones to check their crops? Is that
>>>>>> commercial?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He's not quite dead yet, it's just a flesh wound.
>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 9:42 PM, "Mathew Howard" <[email protected]
>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $53 and the dead woodchuck my dog dragged in last week.
>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 5:29 PM, "Josh Luthman" <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $52 and a pack of dogs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 6:05 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]
>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> $51 and part of a hot dog
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> $50
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Sam Lambie <
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone want to buy Phantom 2 and lots of batteries? Actually I
>>>>>>>>>>>> have 2 Phantom's 1 as a spare and never flown, a Taranis FRSky 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Transmitter
>>>>>>>>>>>> and 7 batteries. FPV setup as well for a Go Pro with monitor. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Works great.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am just tired of all the bullshit that goes with flying and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> people lame
>>>>>>>>>>>> ass reactions. Plus, editing video sucks.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Make me an offer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Jon Paul Kelley <
>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was at a Drone informational session earlier this year at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the NATE convention in New Orleans and the information that was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> given there
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was that any commercial operation of a drone required the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> operator to be,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at least, a sport pilot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jon Paul Kelley
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CKS Wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>] *On
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 4:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> never mind, i guess this answers the question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Q: I have a drone and would like to use it to monitor my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> business, such as by checking my roof. I won’t sell any pictures. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> commercial use?*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A: Yes. The FAA views any UAS (drone) operation that supports
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the functions of your business as a non-recreational use. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curently, any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-recreational use of an unmanned aircraft requires a Section 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 333
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exemption from the Federal Aviation Administration. Once the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> small UAS rule
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is in place, which should occur later this year, you will then be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> operate commercially under the new regulation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:11 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has anyone gotten direct clarification whenther what our
>>>>>>>>>>>>> industry would use it for is considered recreational or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> commercial (site
>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey, inspection, general shenanigans)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Ben Royer <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From my registration:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Remember these simple safety guidelines whenflying your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unmanned aircraft:*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Don't be careless or reckless with your UAS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Fly below 400 feet and remain clear of obstacles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Stay away from other aircraft at all times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Keep your UAS within your sight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Don't fly near airports, stadiums, or other people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Don't fly under the influence of drugs or alcohol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Keep away from emergency responders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more information, visit: www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *B4UFLY** Smartphone App*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Clear status icon shows flight restrictions and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    requirements in your current or planned location
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Interactive maps with filtering options
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Available soon in the App Store and Google Play Store
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Additional Resources*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *General Information about UAS:*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - www.faa.gov/uas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Information about how to fly safely and responsibly:*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - www.knowbeforeyoufly.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - www.modelaircraft.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Information about flight requirements and restrictions:*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - www.faa.gov/go/uastfr
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - faa.gov/tfr
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - www.faa.gov/no_drone_zone/dc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Royell Communications, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 1:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Drones and laws
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's the current typeset? And is there a restriction around
>>>>>>>>>>>>> railroads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the team.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the team.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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