I think we're talking grown up providers, not residential retail.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:46:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale? Your comment was that the "bulk of broadband providers" are in the "$3 - $5" range. I countered that with up to date (as up to date as I could find) pricing with over 90% of the US broadband market, with some of that pricing having been consistent since 2011. *shrug* On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> wrote: > and also look at the pricing on a /29 ... > IPv4 pricing is not linear, cause how they assign it. > > I am not sure what were talking about anymore.. > > The original discussion was in regards to Wholesale / Bulk Ip lease and not > Retail give me an IP for one end user cost price. > > Retail price has a few more things built into it... especially cost > processing (labor) management and tracking.. > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > 7266 SW 48 Street > Miami, FL 33155 > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:19:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale? > >> Comcast (may be old pricing): $15 / mo >> Comcast business: $20 / mo >> AT&T: $15 - $40 / mo >> Verizon Wireless: $500 "one time setup fee" (ZOINKS!, that is the >> wireless division though...) >> Verizon FIOS: $20 / mo (depends on bundling options, it's actually >> more expensive on the higher plans!, see here: >> https://www.verizon.com/smallbusiness/products/business-FiOS-Internet/packages/ >> >> ) >> CenturyTel: has had $20 / mo pricing since 2011 and possibly before: >> https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r25926181-CenturyTel-20-per-month-fee-for-single-static-IP-address-seem >> >> CenturyLink (Qwest network): $10 / mo with $75 setup fee >> Time Warner: $20 / mo >> Google Fiber: $20 for 1 /mo, $30 for 5 / mo >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> Yes, but that is direct retail side, and that is most likely reflective of >>> internal policy.. (running server on a static IP)... thus getting a premium >>> for that type of use. >>> >>> Bulk of the broadband providers are still in the $3 to $5 / ip range. >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>> Miami, FL 33155 >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:17:45 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale? >>> >>> The residential ISPs have been preparing for this by charging up to $30/Mo >>> :( see Google. >>> >>> >>> On Aug 9, 2016 8:54 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> yeah, projections from the same folks who create stock market bubbles ! >>>> LOL!, there is no shortage of folks making up numbers as needed. >>>> >>>> Logically speaking, look at the trending lease price, in the range of $1 >>>> to $2 /ip /month... which would give a very good clue on purchase price. >>>> >>>> For a $300 to $500 per IP valuation, the ongoing lease rate would need to >>>> be in the $10/$20 /month range. Which I have a hard time visualizing... >>>> >>>> Retail rental/lease from Upstream IP transit providers is still running >>>> somewhere between Free to less than $3-$5/ip/month. Depending on the ARPU >>>> of >>>> the BW purchase. >>>> >>>> my 2.5 cents worth. >>>> >>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>>> >>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: [email protected] >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> >>>> > To: [email protected] >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:55:42 AM >>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale? >>>> >>>> > Reasonable projections (IMO) I have seen are $30 to $40 per IP. I have >>>> > seen some projections talking $100-$200 per IP. This is a one time fee >>>> > though, not including RIR transfer and annual fee (much smaller than >>>> > the cost of the block, based on total allocations to you). >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> $13 per IP on a /24 ???? wow..... >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Travis Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> He created a toaster?? LOL >>>> >>> >>>> >>> https://postscapes.com/internet-of-things-history/ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Travis >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On 8/8/2016 8:53 PM, Robert wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> He can afford to wait a long time.... He was the developer of the >>>> >>> first >>>> >>> of one of the major devices on the internet. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On 8/8/16 5:24 PM, Paul Stewart wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> As in a /16 ? he’ll be waiting a long time in my opinion …. (could be >>>> >>> dead wrong there) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I monitor prices every so often to “check in” and see what the market >>>> >>> is >>>> >>> doing … seen prices drop in the past few months, not sure why – >>>> >>> guessing >>>> >>> that it’s because the market is slowing down and/or there are more >>>> >>> blocks >>>> >>> coming available >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert >>>> >>> Sent: August 8, 2016 7:39 PM >>>> >>> To: [email protected] >>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 for sale? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> A friend of mine has an unused Class B... But he's going to wait for >>>> >>> $300-500 pricing... LOL... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On 8/8/16 3:30 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> besides ip auctions.com Anyone knows of of ip address sources for >>>> >>> buying? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>
