Yeah, no we wouldn’t offer service using that method mentioned…. We have significant relationships with carriers like Bell and others across Canada - so if they have an option they can deliver so do we (generally speaking)
Totally up to you and not here to do sales pitch (I’m not remotely involved with sales side) > On Oct 6, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Steve <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote: > > I know you can use tunnels and vlps. I've done it before with a TLS 400km's > away to another provider. But it defeats the purpose of staying on one > carrier's fiber lines. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> > To: "af" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:10:13 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bell Canada deregulating in areas > > Entirely possible, but usually people aren't aware of the options available > to them. > > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve" <li...@wavedirect.org> > To: "af" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:02:28 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bell Canada deregulating in areas > > Our area is very limited to choices. That is the only reason why I even > considered calling Bell! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> > To: "af" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:58:03 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bell Canada deregulating in areas > > Hit me offline if you like …. we have a team of folks what can provide you > fiber connectivity using various carriers…. ;) > > I don’t know the exact number but Bell is still the incumbent telco for about > 75% of Ontario last I looked …. probably 90% or so in Quebec > >> On Oct 6, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Steve <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote: >> >> Ahhh thanks for the clarification. It is what I thought. They are trying to >> shed their responsibility to share and resell their resources. >> >> I would feel the same way about our network. However they owned all the >> lines and infrastructure and were a monopoly. They still do have a huge >> monopoly on the copper lines and fiber as well. >> >> Oddly enough, reluctantly I'm looking to get Bell fiber in our area. I've >> chased their sales department, my colleague has but they ignore anyone in >> this area. Its like they don't want my 10k a month. They simple do not want >> to sell fiber to competitors even at the wholesale level to anyone in the >> area. They want to do their own thing. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> >> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> >> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:51:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bell Canada deregulating in areas >> >> This is definately having impact on third party providers (TPIA as >> referenced).. >> >> Bell has been told that they must provide mandated access to these fiber >> networks as part of a ruling fairly recently … along with the access being >> opened up, there are separate hearings on disaggregation of wholesale access >> as well (which has significant pros/cons all in one) >> >> Forborne basically means no tariffs if I understand correctly … I’m >> obviously not a telecom lawyer or pretend to be one :) It doesn’t mean that >> they won’t provide wholesale access to those facilities and one might argue >> that it doesn’t mean they will neither … >> >> There’s a number of different proceedings around this ongoing - I find it >> hard to follow all of them but if you know the CRTC file number happy to >> provide some additional insight/opinion >> >> Paul >> >> >>> On Oct 6, 2016, at 9:17 AM, Steve <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote: >>> >>> Locally seeing these notices popping up from Bell. So they are requesting >>> to be exempt from the rules the CRTC has set forth. This would be >>> equivalent to you going to the FCC and saying "your rules don't apply to us >>> and I want you to recognize that in these particular areas". Is my >>> understanding correct? >>> >>> Sounds like: >>> A) They want permission to undercut prices in certain areas. >>> B) To be exempt from other tariffs and specifically excluding people from >>> using their lines. >>> C) Do they want to be allowed to throttle services? >>> >>> Locally there has been an area they put fiber in, and terminated their dsl >>> lined which left TPIA people high and dry. Tekksavvy etc could no longer >>> provide service and lost a bunch of customers. I don't know what the >>> outcome was but there was no rule yet in place that they had to share their >>> fiber lines too. So it was a grey area. I wonder if they are trying to >>> exempt themselves from a whole slew of things in certain areas. >>> >>> Anyway >>> >>> Does the FCC have any sort of provision for something similar? >>> >>> Have any of you used this before? >>> >>> Their notice was pretty vague. I'm going to see if I can find the filing. >>> >>> ------ >>> Keeping you informed. >>> >>> >>> As you may know, the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications >>> Commission (CRTC) regulates the terms and conditions of the local services >>> that Bell provides you. This limits our flexibility to provide you the >>> types of competitive offers we’d like. That may all change in your area in >>> the coming months. >>> >>> On August 26, 2016, Bell filed an application to the CRTC to have certain >>> local services “forborne” from regulation. If our request is approved, >>> local telecommunication services Bell offers you will be forborne or >>> deregulated by the CRTC. You will continue to receive the quality services >>> you have come to expect from Bell, under our Terms of Service, which were >>> previously provided to you. You will find a copy at www.bell.ca/terms. The >>> Terms of Service will apply to your newly unregulated local services from >>> the date the CRTC issues an order approving the forbearance application for >>> your local exchange area. >>> >>> What does this mean for you? >>> >>> • We will be able to provide you with more exciting offers and propose more >>> innovative services. >>> • We will continue to provide services on the basis of the Terms of >>> Service. >>> • As a Bell customer, you will be kept informed if the application for >>> forbearance is approved.
