Amen.
(I was actually hoping the ACA would bring insurance to low
income folks. Didn’t happen. I personally know a handful that
tried and could not get something they could afford. Even the
low cost packages had deductable like $1500. Stay poor and stay
on Medicaid was my advice to them...)
*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 2:17 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics
The trouble with facts is the government is in charge of keeping
them so it is very difficult to get a real picture of what has or
is going on.
What is a surplus? well, most administrations that I remember
state that they have a surplus when the money they spent was less
than they were going to spend or the money they were going to
spend was less than what they took in.
None of how the government accounts for money would work for
anyone who can't print their own. It doesn't matter who is in
charge, it is extremely difficult to plow through all the BS they
throw up to get to the real numbers. Doesn't matter if it is
deportations and what counts as one, "saving money" and what
counts as that, some word called winning which I'll be damned if
I know what that means anymore. Trump uses that word a lot but I
am not sure he can explain what he mans by it.
I just had to turn the debate off. It is just so hard to imagine
that we are in this mess. But democracy is messy. The good news
is that the president can hardly ruin everything without a lot of
cooperation. Even Obama could barely get healthcare passed with
both houses. Both of these characters are so well hated by so
many I can't imagine they will be able to do anything but appoint
people and make executive orders.
Of course, it is better for the economy when congress can't pass
laws anyway.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 2:54 PM Robert Andrews
<i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
The jist of what I said earlier is that Trump is there to
make others
look good _BY Comparison_... When looked at on absolute
scales other
things may be observed...
On 10/10/2016 12:50 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> The Clinton Foundation has actually done some good in the
world; as
> opposed to the other guy's. His "Foundation" has served no
one other
> than himself or his "companies".
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 10/10/2016 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> Yep and that was the start of the Clinton Foundation...
>>
>> On 10/10/2016 12:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> Don't forget it was a republican congress that wrote and
passed the
>>> legislation.
>>>
>>> I'm not taking him off the hook, just pointing out that
it takes two to
>>> tango.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 10/10/2016 12:35 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>>> Once again, Chuck, you nailed it... BC was just lucky
to be sitting
>>>> on a mountain of money and it made him look like a god..
Then he
>>>> signed the dumbest piece of legislature to come along in
50 years
>>>> against advice on the last few days of his presidency..
Not inspiring
>>>> in any way... But we are now wedged and your advice is
correct. We
>>>> will survive another 4 years and hope she doesn't pull a
BC on her
>>>> last days in office.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/10/2016 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>> Bill Clinton just happened to coincide with the tech
boom and the
>>>>> advent
>>>>> of the commercial internet. That is what produced the
surplus, he
>>>>> just
>>>>> lucked out. His decisions to deregulate mortgage
banking is what
>>>>> brought us all back down in 2008.
>>>>> I have told former business partners (upon learning of
their
>>>>> infidelity)
>>>>> if you will cheat on your spouse you sure as hell will
cheat me.
>>>>> In my mind the game is over. 4 years of watching
something that could
>>>>> have been so much better lies ahead. Been through it
before, can
>>>>> endure
>>>>> it again.
>>>>> Winston Churchill said Democracy is the WORST form of
governments....
>>>>> except for all the others.
>>>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 11:37 AM
>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics
>>>>> Now you sound like my Trump loving buddy....state
facts.....not
>>>>> shit you
>>>>> hear from Hannity, OReilly, Limbaugh and bunch..
>>>>> Bill Clinton (An unfaithful husband....I don't mince words)
>>>>> balanced the
>>>>> budget and we had a surplus....a Democrat..but he
didn't do it
>>>>> BFM...(By
>>>>> Fucking Magic for you hard of hearing)...it took both
sides to get
>>>>> those
>>>>> things going....Knock Obama all you want, you do
anyways, but he
>>>>> inherited a shit storm and even with all the Republican
resistance,
>>>>> got
>>>>> us out of the recession. Trump used the recession to make
>>>>> money..(fact...like Potter in Capra's movie)...Trump
keeps blaming
>>>>> Obama
>>>>> for ISIS!!! really.....lets revise history like our
Texas Board of
>>>>> Education does all the time.....Wrong is wrong, no
matter who does
>>>>> it....Clinton, Trump, Kennedy and other presidents
cheated on their
>>>>> wives...I bought out my first business partner for just
>>>>> that...cheating
>>>>> on his wife and children...Guess I am old school, but
if a man
>>>>> cheats on
>>>>> those close to him, where the hell do I stand in that
relationship?
>>>>> Goes to character and morals.....yes we joke on this
list allot
>>>>> including sexual ones....but I have never read anything
on this list
>>>>> about thinking its okay to grope women because you are
rich or a
>>>>> celebrity...or worse call one of you daughters
voluptuous ...NBC
>>>>> suspended Billy Bush but only after extreme pressure
from social
>>>>> media....Chump says he uses it and in the end the media
is what
>>>>> will do
>>>>> him in....Listen carefully..THIS IS NO FUCKING REALITY
SHOW YOU MORON
>>>>> TRUMP!!! I know those who approve of him will stay
loyal up to the
>>>>> election....Like I said before and I say it again...It
reminds of
>>>>> Hitlers followers....they knew it was wrong but didn't
give a
>>>>> shit....sorry muchachos, that Make America Great Again
dream will not
>>>>> ever be back again, keeping kicking the sleeping
giant.....too many of
>>>>> us are educated now and we can vote....as much as you
want to change
>>>>> voting laws to keep us out, it will not work......lets
see how it
>>>>> plays
>>>>> out on November 8th....
>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>>>> 915-861-1390 <tel:%28915%29%20861-1390>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Wireless Administrator
>>>>> <wirel...@htn.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> MUCH HAS CHANGED ABOUT POLITICS OVER THE YEARS.____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> *“My fellow Americans, ask not what your country
can do for
>>>>> you, ask
>>>>> what you can do for your country.”____*
>>>>>
>>>>> *____*
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> AND THOSE ARE THE WORDS OF A DOEMCRAT !
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> AND NOW WE HAVE A NATIONAL DEBT OF:____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> *$19,493,291,113,808____*
>>>>>
>>>>> *____*
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s hard for me to believe that ANY of the other
issues matter.
>>>>> I’m not afraid of a president that might hurt someone’s
>>>>> feelings on
>>>>> the way to fixing the mess we’re in. ____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve B.____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>>> ____
>>>>>
>>>
>
