Actually in my opinion what we need is better IPv6 adoption in general and this 
becomes a non-problem quickly :)

I know .. good theory … and “we” are getting better though …. a lot of 
providers have gotten their heads out of the clouds in the past few years alone 
….


> On Oct 27, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> What we all need, is a low cost solution to stop needing more V4 IPs. 
>  
> If it is CGN at the edge with a limited pool of V4, so be it. 
>  
> But I want a solid solution that can be trusted.
> And I want and expert to come drop it into my company. 
>  
> From: Paul Stewart <>
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 11:23 AM
> To: [email protected] <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] IPV6 deploymernt
>  
> while I’m not a fan of NAT64, CGN etc (but understand in some situations the 
> need for it), I completely agree that companies will be looking for 
> consultants to help with this in some scenarios (both large and small 
> companies alike) - this has been ongoing in some larger companies for many 
> years already (IPv6 adoption) and often through resident engineer placements 
> from vendors 
>  
>  
>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 11:59 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected] <>> wrote:
>>  
>> Some consultant needs to specialize in this and help folks provision, 
>> configure, deploy, test etc. 
>> We all need this or will need this. 
>>  
>> From: Faisal Imtiaz <>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 8:31 PM
>> To: af <>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: [WISPA] IPV6 deploymernt
>>  
>> An excellent detailed solution  (from one of the other forums).
>>  
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
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>>> From: "Tim Way" <[email protected] <>>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected] <>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 9:01:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPV6 deploymernt
>> 
>>> Art,
>>> So I know of two solid methods that could solve your problem. Neither are 
>>> super awesome and both would involve NAT.
>>>  
>>> 1. IPv6 only to the client with NAT64 and DNS64 to handle IPv4 only 
>>> connectivity
>>> 2. IPv4 CGN Shared Address Space, RFC 6598 100.64.0.0/10 
>>> <http://100.64.0.0/10>, and IPv6 Global Unicast running in Dual Stack
>>>  
>>> Either one would work. I apologize in advance for the long post that 
>>> follows.
>>>  
>>> I've only done the configurations on Cisco routers with the radios just 
>>> passing traffic at layer 2. I'd have to check the feature set of your 
>>> routers routing wise but it shouldn't be hard. It also could be built in a 
>>> lab with static routing largely. I think Mikrotik supports NAT64 but again 
>>> for a lab environment any recent Cisco device could be used with IP 
>>> Services licensing.
>>>  
>>> Your address plan for your global unicast IPv6 space comes into play. This 
>>> is how I would lab it up including moving routing to the tower with the CPE 
>>> in bridge mode:
>>>  
>>> Your fictional IPv6 prefix: 9999:8888::/32
>>>  
>>> Your NAT64 Prefix: 9999:8888:cc00::/96
>>>  
>>> Customer DHCPv6-PD Allocation Prefix: 9999:8888:aa00::/40
>>> Your fictional customer #1: The Johnson Family, 9999:8888:aa00:0100::/56
>>> Your fictional customer #2: The Billings' Family, 9999:8888:aa00:0200::/56
>>>  
>>> Fictional Tower 1
>>> ISP Mgmt VLAN of CPE: 11, 9999:8888:bb00:0011::/64
>>> ISP Customer VLAN of CPE: 12, 9999:8888:bb00:0012::/64
>>> ISP Router at the tower on VLAN 11: 9999:8888:bb00:0011::1/64
>>> ISP Router at the tower on VLAN 12: 9999:8888:bb00:0012::1/64
>>>  
>>> The Johnson Family Setup:
>>> ISP CPE VLAN 11 IP: 9999:8888:bb00:0011::f/64
>>> Customer's Netgear WAN Interface: 9999:8888:bb00:0012::f/64
>>> Customer's Netgear LAN Interface: 9999:8888:aa00:010a::1/64
>>> Customer's Netgear Guest WiFi: 9999:8888:aa00:010b::1/64
>>>  
>>> The Billings' Family Setup:
>>> ISP CPE VLAN 11 IP: 9999:8888:bb00:0011::e/64
>>> Customer's Netgear WAN Interface: 9999:8888:bb00:0012::e/64
>>> Customer's Netgear LAN Interface: 9999:8888:aa00:020a::1/64
>>> Customer's Netgear Guest WiFi: 9999:8888:aa00:020b::1/64
>>>  
>>> 1. You'd bridge VLAN 12 through the CPE to customer's WAN interface as the 
>>> native VLAN and put the IP on VLAN 11.
>>> 2. If you use static routing and manual address assignment to eliminate 
>>> variables in the lab you'll want to add static routes on the tower router 
>>> for the ::/56 prefixes that would be allocated to each customer. Normally 
>>> these routes will be injected into the routing table at the DHCPv6 router 
>>> and could be distributed from there.
>>> 3. The last piece of the puzzle will be adding in the NAT64 and DNS64 
>>> devices. BIND can do DNS64 and you could use a Cisco router to do the 
>>> NAT64. You'd want the "Customer's Netgear" to use the DNS64 server as it's 
>>> upstream DNS server to ensure that it receives AAAA records for sites that 
>>> only have A records. This is the fragile component of the DNS64 and NAT64 
>>> deployment because it requires the customers computer or router uses your 
>>> resolver. You will want to ensure the router performing NAT64 is 
>>> advertising the prefix it is using for NAT64 into your IGP or that your 
>>> default routed traffic lands on that NAT64 to ensure it is routed correctly.
>>> 
>>> This should get you a functional IPv6 only customer network that only 
>>> returns AAAA records for all DNS requests. It's a little late so I 
>>> apologize for any mistakes in the addressing. Also I will think about doing 
>>> this with routing at the CPE as well overnight and add that response. I'd 
>>> be very intrigued to see this in a lab environment with the fictional 
>>> customers all setup to see how NAT64 and DNS64 actually works in reality 
>>> instead of just implementing CGN which I see as the less visible or 
>>> resilient change for the customer. That said I see the pure IPv6 deployment 
>>> with NAT64 and DNS64 as the better long term solution if you could reliably 
>>> ensure your customers use your DHCP server or ensure that your tech support 
>>> says to reset that right away. It also would break a customer using OpenDNS 
>>> to restrict web-sites from their kid's for example.
>>>  
>>> Thanks,
>>>  
>>> Tim
>>>  
>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Art Stephens <[email protected] <>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Tim,
>>>> So we are an IPV4 ISP not able to get any more IPV4 address space. We have 
>>>> IPV6 working in office, and on server network. 
>>>> I have working windows and linux IPV6 only configured machines but 
>>>> obviously they can only access IPV6 capable web sites and such.
>>>>  
>>>> But we will need to start assigning IPV6 WAN address to customer routers 
>>>> and UBNT radios in radio router mode when we get a CRM that supports IPV6.
>>>> I am a little aware of NAT64 but all my googling for NAT64 applications 
>>>> yields NAT64 for networks with Public address on one side and private 
>>>> addresses on the other.
>>>> We try to keep all of our network WAN on public addresses.
>>>>  
>>>> So far I have tried three so called ipv6 ready routers and could get none 
>>>> of them to work with static IPV6 addressing.
>>>>  
>>>> Hope that explains what you are looking for.
>>>>  
>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Tim Way <[email protected] <>> wrote:
>>>>> Dual stack is a different architecture than having two separate networks 
>>>>> running with one running IPv4 and one running IPv6. To connect the two 
>>>>> disparate networks you would need to perform address family translation 
>>>>> (NAT64). In dual-stack it will prefer IPv6 when available, minus happy 
>>>>> eyeballs, but otherwise has legs or transit via both protocols to access 
>>>>> the necessary resource if it is either IPv4 or IPv6.
>>>>> To start I would ask to clarify what you are trying to do and I'd be 
>>>>> happy to help in anyway I can. I'm a bit of an IPv6 crazy.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>  
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Art Stephens <[email protected] <>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Any out there successfully deployed dual stack network can share what 
>>>>>> equipment used for pure ipv6 access to ipv4 networks?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Arthur Stephens
>>>>>> Senior Networking Technician
>>>>>> Ptera Inc.
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