Half of what the government does is for show... that doesn't necessarily mean it's a waste.
On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Robert Andrews <[email protected]> wrote: > The DMZ is a good example of the right technology that means you don't > actually need a wall. And that the wall all some odd billions of it is > going to be for show. The ONLY way that people can be kept from crossing > is at a threat of death. I don't think we want to become that country... > > On 01/26/2017 11:00 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > >> When you said minefield I immediately thought of the Korean DMZ. Another >> example of successful border wall. >> Hadrian's Wall divided Roman England for hundreds of years. >> >> Are there any two countries at peace who have a wall between them? >> Mexicans will have to assume that we hate them. >> >> The drug cartels will dig a tunnel, or use boats, or airplanes, or hot >> air balloons, or whatever. They make too much money to let a little >> wall stop them. While they're carrying the cocaine over they can make >> room for a few passengers. Once we've spent $20 billion on our 3200km >> wall, now we've got to monitor and maintain 3200km worth of wall. >> >> On the surface it seems absurd. If I perform some in depth research >> will I learn that there's a good reason to do this, or will I learn that >> some politicians are not able to detect obvious absurdity? >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: 1/26/2017 1:40:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct >> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The Washington >> Post >> >> Mine fields do a pretty good job. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews >>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:39 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, >>> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The >>> Washington Post >>> >>> Last successful wall to seriously keep people on one side or the >>> other... Berlin.... Do we really want machine gun nests with >>> overlapping fields of fire and land mines? ( yes I am a troll too, >>> sometimes )... >>> >>> On 01/26/2017 10:21 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>>> I am just suggesting that is a pile of crap to manage, it must take >>>> quite a few people. I think he is a successful manager of a large bunch >>>> of organizations. >>>> To do that you have to be able to make decisions and move to the next >>>> item on the list. >>>> As far as being in over your head as a president, there are a bazillion >>>> little things that you would not know. For example, go build the wall. >>>> OK are you going to obtain easements, are you going to do eminent >>>> domain, are you going to put on in Mexico without permission? >>>> Are you going to obey NEPA laws? Things like that. I know about NEPA, >>>> am pretty much a NEPA expert when it comes to putting fiber lines in >>>> public lands, but almost nobody knows this stuff. I am sure there are >>>> parallels in every thing a president touches. Laws and regs that must >>>> be obeyed. >>>> Then, you have all the intel and secret stuff that probably dumps on you >>>> first day in office. All kinds of selecting the best of two bad >>>> situations. Homeland type of crap. >>>> Then they pull out the UFO file..... >>>> I don’t think anyone is prepared. Yeah, Ike was probably the best >>>> prepared. Governors are probably better prepared than Senators. >>>> You gotta pick good experts to advise you and hope for the best. >>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:13 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, >>>> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The >>>> Washington Post >>>> >>>> Does he give one of his lieutenants free reign over that Central Park >>>> merry-go-round? >>>> >>>> I think a lot of those deals are either licensing his name, or providing >>>> management services. Both essentially pure profit. I’m not saying he’s >>>> stupid. >>>> >>>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:01 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, >>>> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The >>>> Washington Post >>>> >>>> Whole pile of companies and properties: >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization >>>> >>>> Looks like a large outfit to me. >>>> >>>> *From:*Ken Hohhof >>>> >>>> *Sent:*Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:57 AM >>>> >>>> *To:*[email protected] >>>> >>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct >>>> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The >>>> Washington Post >>>> >>>> Well, I’m not sure Eisenhower was in over his head. More like a >>>> vacation after his previous job. >>>> >>>> As far as Trump being a brilliant businessman, he’s more like a brand >>>> licenser and reality TV host now that (almost) nobody will loan him >>>> money anymore. I remember him being more of a laughingstock in the 80’s >>>> due to his serial bankruptcies. His modus operandi seems to be: >>>> >>>> 1) Create chaos >>>> >>>> 2) Send in the lawyers >>>> >>>> … >>>> >>>> PROFIT! >>>> >>>> If you are willing to be ruthless and screw over your partners, vendors, >>>> and fellow investors, there is always profit to be made. Until people >>>> wise up and won’t deal with you. Then you only have one option >>>> remaining – run for elected office. >>>> >>>> I also have a hard time envisioning The Trump Organization as a very >>>> large organization with hundreds of divisions. More like Russian >>>> nesting dolls for tax purposes. Articles I have read about their >>>> offices in Trump Tower say it is pretty spartan. And as far as turning >>>> over day-to-day management to his sons, you don’t think that already >>>> happened over the years? Well, at least Don Jr. Like SNL says, “and >>>> I’m Eric”. Maybe I’m judging him harshly because he looks so strange, >>>> wasn’t he Odo on Star Trek? >>>> >>>> I’m sorry, I just don’t see DJT as a business magnate in the same class >>>> with Jack Welch or Warren Buffett. If you pull any list of the top NYC >>>> real estate developers, Trump won’t even be on the list. That’s why the >>>> actual real estate magnates hold him in such low regard. Not that their >>>> opinion is necessarily more important than your average swamp critter. >>>> >>>> *From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:14 AM >>>> *To:* Animal Farm <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, >>>> correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The >>>> Washington Post >>>> >>>> I think all presidents quickly realize they are in over their head. No >>>> way you can actually be prepared for the job. >>>> >>>> But one thing that Trump has going for him is the proven ability to >>>> organize and run very large organizations with hundreds of divisions. >>>> >>>> No way he could have been successful in the business world without the >>>> ability to give his lieutenants free reign. >>>> >>>> He is an ass, an megalomaniac, probably a sociopath, narcissistic, >>>> probably delusional – but I have liked everything he has done so far >>>> with the exception of the way he is handling Mexico. I think they need >>>> to build an electronic wall. Fiber optic cable 100% of the border with >>>> cameras each half miles and drones on each camera pole. Crowdsource the >>>> monitoring. Let the Minuteman organizations watch things. Make the >>>> cameras IR so if they see something at night, launch the drone to check >>>> it out. >>>> >>>> *From:*Jaime Solorza >>>> >>>> *Sent:*Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:04 AM >>>> >>>> *To:*Animal Farm >>>> >>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG]OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct >>>> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The >>>> Washington Post >>>> >>>> Ha... You'd have better luck getting Trump to agree he is in over his >>>> head than getting me to respect or like him... No sale >>>> >>>> On Jan 26, 2017 10:02 AM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Glad to see you are coming around Jaime.... >>>> >>>> *From:*Jaime Solorza >>>> >>>> *Sent:*Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:20 PM >>>> >>>> *To:*Animal Farm >>>> >>>> *Subject:*[AFMUG] OT. BRING OUT THE KOOL AIDE VATS. The true, correct >>>> story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration - The >>>> Washington Post >>>> >>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/24/ >>>> the-true-correct-story-of-what-happened-at-donald-trumps- >>>> inauguration/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_3_na-amp&utm_ >>>> term=.428e092e7fd8 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>
