IIRC, the 430 SMs don't play with the 450i APs either.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
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> On Jan 30, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What you'd really want to do with the 450, is go from the 430->450M. 
> Unfortunately, you will have to go to the vanilla 450 first because the 450M 
> won't play with 430 SMs.
> 
> 
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> 
>> On 1/30/2017 12:19 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>> One advantage of going to 450 is that it should be an easier upgrade path 
>> from 430, since you can run those SMs for awhile even if you don't plan on 
>> keeping any of the 430 running permanently... but that's only really a big 
>> deal if there's a lot of 430 SMs already deployed. 
>> 
>> I think a lot of it depends on how heavily loaded the APs are... if there's 
>> a ton of customers on the sectors, then 450 might make the most sense... but 
>> if they're relatively lightly loaded, then I'd personally just go for ePMP.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>> 430 SMs will keep you from going past 450i at the AP end, starting with 
>>> 450m.  The path up to 450i is pretty solid, obviously single pol though.  
>>> If you are OK upgrading the higher plan subs to 450 SMs and keeping the 
>>> lower plan subs on 430, this might be OK.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 100 FSK gear, wow, that’s like an anchor around your neck these days.  
>>> You’d be buying customers, but unless you can charge for the network 
>>> upgrade, they are going to be expensive customers.  With customers thinking 
>>> 10M is their birthright, how many subs can you put on a 100 series AP?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 1:38 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] e pmp 1000
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> All in 5GHz?
>>> 
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> 
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 
>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>> 
>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>> 
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A wisp wants me to buy them out but the gear is old.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Lots of 100 fsk gear and some 430.
>>> 
>>> 430 gear is getting cheap and will pretty much do the job.
>>> 
>>> A move to 450 can reuse the 430 sm radios.
>>> 
>>> But the price on the epmp1000 is not too bad.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thinking about it.  Probably will not do anything. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Would I be better off just diving into the epmp?
>>> 
>>> It is a bit of a noisy environment and it seems like the 430 stuff does OK.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I think you cannot go wrong with 450,  but for the money is the 1000 
>>> better? 
>>> 
>>> Is buying 430s a waste of money on a 450 system?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>> 
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