A man after my own heart.  I moved from Chicago and after about 5 years pretty 
much gave up.  Then to my great surprise, I get a computer service call to 
either a Vienna distributor or where they were actually making them, I can’t 
remember, and man was I ticked.  I remember them giving me a box of hot dogs 
though.  Then wham, a bunch of them go up. We now have one less than ½ mile 
away and I think my office orders from them 10 times a month.  We also have 
another up the road that has Gyros that are excellent.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 4:43 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

So, I rarely order hot dogs from portillos when I visit chicago.
Or italian beef.
What do I order?  "Tamales".   Portillos "Tamales".   Note how I provided 
suitable quotes around "Tamales".   That's because chicago "Tamales" are not 
Tamales.  Still good.  Kinda like Chicago Deep Dish Pizza is not Pizza.  Still 
very yummy, but in a different category altogether.  What I call tamales are 
hand rolled and as you stated : made by someone's Aunt.   And what I call pizza 
is made without a pan in an oven which is helliously hot, and has red sauce and 
mozzarella and absolutely no weird 'healthy" vegetables.

I discovered Chicago "tamales" by accident when attempting to find a italian 
beef sandwich somewhere other than downtown, and somewhere had tamales.   
Tamales at a beef & hotdog place?  That's odd... gotta order some.  Turned out 
better than the beef.   Note to self:  Mr Beef and Pizza on North Harlem:  
Great steamed mini Chicago "Tamales", not so great on the beef.   After that, I 
have tried them various places, and they're almost always good.   Not the same 
as a good Tamale, but still yummy.
What else do I eat when I'm in Chicagoland?
Chicago style hot dogs from numerous places - gotta have a Vienna beef hot dog, 
and everything else authentic.  If the relish doesn't glow in the dark, I don't 
want it.   Skip the sport peppers though.   I get it, but I'm just not into the 
whole sport peppers thing.  Definitely no ketchup.
Italian beef ideally from Mr Beef on Orleans, but that's way down town.   And 
last time I ended up down there it was on a weekend day when they were closed.  
 :(   A couple years back I flew into Midway, drove downtown, ate beef, then 
drove back out to Schaumberg where my hotel is.  I've found acceptable 
substitutes elsewhere, but they're not as good.   Oh, and in case anyone asks, 
I like 'em Sweet and Wet or even better, Sweet and Dipped, depending on how 
messy I want to be.
Chili 4-way from steak-n-shake.   Ok, it's really 5-way hold the onions, but 
still....     Wish I had discovered this whole dish when WISPAMERICA was in 
Covington before I was at the airport on the way out of town, as I would have 
tried it at a few different places.
Oh, and back on "Tamales".... If I can find a box of original supreme-brand 
"tamales" in a freezer section somewhere on my way out of town (to the 
airport), often a box will end up stuck right in the middle of my checked bag.  
They seem to keep just fine on the flight home that way.   These happen to be 
the same variety as the ones that Mr Beef on North Harlem sells, just a bit 
larger.   The other brand of Chicago frozen tamales are spicier and I don't 
like them as well so they have to be supreme brand.  Rumour has it that 
Portillos at least used to use the Supreme "tamales" as well, but I'm not so 
sure they still do (they taste a bit different).  Wouldn't surprise me if they 
decided to "roll their own".
What did I miss?
Oh, deep dish pizza - I really like Lou's crust, and Giordano's filling - if I 
could get these together somewhere I'd be in heaven.  Still need to do some 
research...  Usually there's two deep dish pizza nights whenever I visit - one 
experimental, and one toss-up between the two I mentioned.
Probably missed something else.  Darn, now I'm hungry for a lot of stuff which 
is 2000 miles away.   I had hoped that at least there would be a Steak n shake 
near downtown in Nashville since I've been having a chili 4-way craving for 
some time now, but no, they're like 20 miles out of town and I'm not going to 
have a rental car this time.  Looks like there's a deep dish pizza place near 
the hotel that serves italian beef too.. maybe will give it a try in a couple 
of weeks.

Oh, yeah, I'm also known to visit a white castle now and again.  I shouldn't 
like the little nasty hamburgers, but I do.   Looks like there's one in 
Nashville also...  unfortunately my significant other despises them so maybe 
I'll have to sneak down when she's not looking.
-forrest





On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 12:00 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I don't understand this portillos craze. I like hot dogs, I like real ones 
better, but I'm not going to go full under an overpass craziness over one like 
everybody seems to be on portillos. Do these come with a handjob or something 
nobody is talking about?

On Feb 24, 2017 11:53 PM, "George Skorup" 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
I had Portillo's for dinner. Nanananabooboo.

On 2/24/2017 11:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Our local place gives you a choice of refried beans or black beans, I always 
take the black beans.

Refried beans seem like you should check them with a Geiger counter.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 10:45 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

...... Unless you're going to tell me what refried beans actually are and what 
that refried beans with white cheese is, cause I'll tell you, it's not great 
value brand refried beans with shredded mozzarella. If you tell me this secret, 
well, Fuck Trump for 8 hours

On Feb 24, 2017 10:41 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Holy shit dude, the first two " hate crimes" they reference were not hate 
crimes, they were documented false flags...... I couldn't even read further to 
see if they reference fbi stats ..   problem is, the order is two weeks old and 
fbi wouldn't have a data set release for that time period. Don't be fed, don't 
be a sheep

On Feb 24, 2017 10:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The hate crime increase rate by FBI is here in your states paper....
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-madigan-immigration-hate-crimes-summit-20170223-story.html

On Feb 24, 2017 9:13 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There is something about how they roll out of the corn husk ribs. (I'm not 
supposed to be eating the husk too am I? Because that may end up in the raw 
oysters lust of shit I won't make my kids try)

On Feb 24, 2017 10:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I  checked tamale reviews in Chicago....Wow...Banana leaves? Chocolate?  
WTF....I know there are allot of mojaritas (Maybe Gino or Faisal will unravel 
it for you) all over.  There has to be a place to buy dried corn husks and 
nixtamal Masa!!    Ranch Pro carried decent Mexican offerings....Wonder if Masa 
can be shipped safely... Husks is no problem...Let me check..

On Feb 24, 2017 8:54 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
They were in a metal can, a little softer than Mexican aunt tamales, I grew up 
on em. They were black and white label generic.


I didn't have a real tamales til I was in 5th grade or so, my buddy lio and me 
were at the park on a bridge, he dropped his recorder (the flute thing) and I 
acted like I was gonna kick it off, it bounced and I kicked it off into the 
river. He told me I had to tell his old man what happenned or he'd get in 
trouble. They were getting ready to eat when we got there, we told them, it was 
all good and they invited me to eat. I don't know if you've ever been invited 
to eat in a Mexicans house or not, it's not a question or option if there are 
any aunts there. You will eat before you leave, and you will eat until you're 
full and then some.
That's where I got exposed to tamales, and a bunch of other stuff I don't 
recall what it was. So good, so freaking good.

On Feb 24, 2017 9:37 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> 
wrote:
In a can, or a glass jar?  I remember Derby brand tamales in a jar, do they 
still sell those?  They lacked all the characteristics of good tamales, but 
were strangely appealing.  Like Pringles or candy corn.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 9:16 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Maseca-Instant-Masa-For-Tamales-Corn-Mix-4.4-lb/10790738

I still haven't sourced any husks. Btw are we talking green or dried brown? And 
don't send a Mexican aunt to murder me, but if I can't find husks, will wax 
paper work?


When I was a kid mom was getting these canned tamales. They're the closest I 
remember eating to authentic Mexican aunt tamales. She doesn't remember, there 
was no English on the label. We do have an authentic (ish) Mexican joint here 
(they make margaritas in a slushy machine), maybe they'll hook me up with husks

On Feb 24, 2017 8:57 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
What are ingredients? Brand?

On Feb 24, 2017 7:19 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It sucks we had a bitch for 8 years, a man would have actually changed law 
instead of limbo, like how he fucked the immigrants.

On Feb 24, 2017 5:44 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
I thought the top story was Spicer saying they will crackdown at the Federal 
level more on rec marijuana? I mean, it's only funding schools, creating jobs, 
and paying for roads in Colorado... No big deal.

On Feb 24, 2017 5:39 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> 
wrote:
Something is wrong when the top news story today is Spicey banning some major 
news outlets from his WH press conference.  Not that it isn’t disturbing, but …

Hello, does anybody care about the story that North Korea is believed to have 
carried out an assassination in a Malaysian airport using VX?  And it is 
believed they purposely did it in a way to demonstrate to the world and 
especially the U.S. their capability and willingness to use the banned chemical 
weapon?  Oh, and to piss off their only two friends in the world, Malaysia and 
China.

Kim Jong Un is probably wondering, what do I have to do to make the front page? 
 I launched a ballistic missile toward Japan while Trump was meeting with the 
PM of Japan.  Then I had my half brother assassinated in public in a foreign 
airport using 2-part (battlefield weaponized) VX nerve agent.  And all the 
Americans care about is speeches at CPAC and who was disinvited to Spicey’s 
press conference.  And whether Dippin Dots are the ice cream of the future.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 5:19 PM
To: af <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

You've hit on a lot of my frustration with the R's and D's.

Add to that the fact that they have convinced the american public that the only 
viable option is either an 'R' or a 'D' and you pretty much sum it up.

For the record, I didn't vote for either a 'R' or a 'D' the last election.   I 
hoped to be part of the solution where we consider other alternatives as well.


On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
There was an episode of the Star Trek TV series titled “Let That Be Your Last 
Battlefield” about two warring aliens that appeared identical except one was 
black on one side and white on the other, while the other was the reverse.  The 
difference was all important to the aliens, but the Enterprise crew could 
hardly tell them apart.

I think of that when people immediately identify someone as left or right, 
Democrat or Republican, Shia or Sunni.  As if their faces were painted a 
certain way so you can immediately tell.  And once you know their political 
party or religious sect, that’s all you need to know.  TV is that way, if they 
are interviewing someone, the most important thing is to have a graphic that 
tells you if they are a D or R.  It’s like a sporting event, you need to know 
what team someone is on, and then can cheer or boo accordingly.

Our political parties take themselves way too seriously, they seem to believe 
people are born either D or R and that party owns them.  The parties don’t seem 
capable of running capable candidates for office and governing well in order to 
earn votes.  But when they eek out an election victory, they proclaim it a 
landslide and believe they have a mandate.  Rather than accept that voters 
hated the other guys a little more.  This time.

It’s kind of ironic with Trump and Putin in the news, neither of whom really 
care about ideology, it’s all about power and personality.  Yet we still want 
it to be a story about left vs right, my party vs your party.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 9:51 AM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Yeahbut they are democrats so they are leftists so they are inherently truthful 
and trustyworthy...

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 7:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

The statements come from representatives of the "Sweden Democrats" party.  Skim 
the wikipedia article about who they are.

Some choice quotes:
"The party had its roots in Swedish 
fascism[15]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats#cite_note-r1089-15> 
and was a part of the white 
supremacy<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy> 
movement;[16]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats#cite_note-telegraphboots-16>"
"The Sweden Democrats, however, remain isolated in the Riksdag because the 
other parties are staunchly maintaining a policy of refusing 
cooperation<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordon_sanitaire#In_politics> with 
them.[25]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats#cite_note-25>"
"The Sweden Democrats believe that the current Swedish 
immigration<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden> and 
integration policies have been a failure. They oppose integration because they 
believe that integration involves "meeting in the middle" and do not think that 
the indigenous Swedish people<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedes> should have 
to bear the burden "

The section on ideologies is interesting too.  They might as well have "Make 
Sweden Great Again" hats.


------ Original Message ------
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/23/2017 4:15:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

My only point is, Trump made one of his typical off-the-cuff/out his ass 
utterances, he was excoriated by the left press.
Now it seems there was something of substance behind his comment.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT trolling

Sweden has accepted something like 25 times as many refugees per capita than 
the U.S.  And they have been mostly men who can’t find work.  Whereas the U.S. 
accepts mostly women and children, who have been heavily screened, and there 
are usually communities willing to help them integrate.  I’m not sure why we 
are wanting to point fingers at Sweden and make some political issue of this.

Why not instead look for a model of how to do this right?  By all accounts, 
Canada is very good at this, with families virtually adopting refugees and 
helping them resettle and integrate into Canadian society.

Just be happy we get some choice unlike Europe which doesn’t have
...




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