Hey Paul …. thanks for the clarification and apologies if I suggested that this was around cost…. I know I do and many folks on this list appreciate the work being done here to support the list.
I like a list that is self policing and low on formal policies … yes, every mailing list needs some rules for sure but keeping it “loose” works well for a group like this IMHO Personally, I like this list a lot - it’s a “goto” list for me even though day to day I don’t work with a lot of wireless (our company has a WISP operation but I’m only involved from the distance). I like the list because it’s mainly WISP folks who often come up with the absolute most creative ways to approach problems … that’s just my take. thanks, Paul > On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote: > > My comment truly was NOT about cost. I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and > support the valued members that found the list a great resource. PDMNet > wanted to give back to the WISP community. > > Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by > traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support. I > could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at > least 6 months. At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to > fully integrate properly with AWS. They are very particular to how email > flows, their API etc. We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made > the right decision. After the loooong setup, we haven’t deal with a server > based delivery issue in over a year. No getting blacklisted, no other drama. > We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free. I love > maintenance free. > > I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season > came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others). I absolutely LOVE hear > about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or > anything like that. That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to > filter that. I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a > multitude of OT subjects. On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute > garbage that gets spewed (JMO) over and over… and over. We get it. You > don’t like the president AT ALL. You want to continue to trash him ALL the > time. We get it. We truly do. You have fully expressed yourself. You > won’t change anybody’s mind who does hatse the president or his policies. > Ever. Move on. PLEASE. JMO > > As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less > technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel. While it > does take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to > creep into many other “normal threads” also. The last 6 months, good > contributing members have become distant or gone completely. Some people do > not want to have to sort through the muck. Same reason I chose to never > watch CNN or FoxNews on TV. It’s mostly garbage. Sometimes people don’t > complain. They just go away. I chose to say something. > > Chuck wants the list to be self-policing. Create a new subject header like > PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and > then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it. > > Paul > > > <> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On > Behalf Of Paul Stewart > Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM > To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business > related discussions > > I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were > others too … > > Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have > the infrastructure (which I do) > > Paul > > > > On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive > anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid > draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than > $100/month each. > > bp > > > On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman > <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: > > > I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter > garbage for sure. > > What's the monthly cost of the list? I think those of us that have benefited > from it could throw a few bucks to help you out. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net > <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote: > I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the list > directly, so here goes. > > Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs, I get one or two > people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the BS, > politics, etc. I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because of > that. > > While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS is > very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice. That’s not the point of > my comment. > > People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on > important technology and business needs, IMO. > > It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents. > > Paul > > > Paul McCall, President > PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. > 658 Old Dixie Highway > Vero Beach, FL 32962 > 772-564-6800 > pa...@pdmnet.net <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > www.pdmnet.com <http://www.pdmnet.com/> > www.floridabroadband.com <http://www.floridabroadband.com/>
