That is correct George. When I go back to the site I am going to see
if one of the 450i APs will get sync on it. The 450i are currently
getting sync on a PacketFlux Power injector. During my initial testing
to try and get sync to the ePMP AP I plugged one into the Power
Injector that was feeding a 450i successfully. This was running on
Gbps from the mikrotik and had REVB surge suppression in place. The
ePMP did not receive sync but the 450i had no issues and has run
flawless since initial install.
At this point I am fine with the ePMP getting sync from the internal
and running on 100mbps with the surge in place. I am just testing to
test at this point. I realized that when I didn’t get sync from the
Power Injector to the ePMP when it has been feeding sync to the 450i
fine I made the _ASSUMPTION _ that the Syncinjector was in fact
working and passing GPS due to the flashing light. But I didn’t
verify. A quick swap to a working 450i will tell me the truth.
Really I just posted incase this helped Chuck or Forest or really
anyone else with a similar issue.
I am curious if anyone is running a MikroTik RB1100AHX2 ( 6.38.1
firmware) through the Rev D suppression and powering with packetflux a
ePMP AP at gig speed AND passing GPS to it and getting no drops /
flaps. The fact that this same setup works at all my other sites with
450i does bother me some and the fact that I have never tried it on
ePMP means I just don’t know. This is the first site I had tried to
pass GPS to a ePMP AP. We have always just used the onboard GPS
before. It would be nice to hear confirmation that this works for
everyone else with this setup and I am just nuts. Then I could move on.
I will say again though I am perfectly happy with Chucks suppression
gear and Forests power and GPS gear. Works great for me and I am
perfectly fine leaving this one site as is protected and running
100mbps with onboard GPS.
Thanks all,
Brandon
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 07, 2017 2:17 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings.
(NEW UPDATE )
Just to clarify, you cannot get sync over power to work on those two
radios no matter what? All surge suppression removed doesn't get you
sync over power from a SyncInjector or PowerInjector+Sync, nor a CMM3?
On 3/7/2017 12:11 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
I wanted to give some additional updates on this thread since I
was able to go to the site and do some additional troubleshooting
before we started customer installs. I found the following:
Running auto negotiation speed from the mikrotik with Gbps as an
option through a REV D GIGE-APC card and powered by a gigabit
syncinjector on 48 volts with less than 180 feet of shielded
cable powering an epmp 2.4 GPS AP the Ethernet port flapped close
to 1000 times over night. It never did drop down to 100mbps
instead sticking with Gbps We could not get GPS sync to the AP
using CMM3.
Running the same setup but with REV B ( which is what I had in
place to start) we had the same results over 1000 drops and no GPS
to the AP with CMM3
Running the same setup and no surge suppression at all gave 0
flaps overnight with the gigabit syncinjector powering the AP with
48 volts.
Running the same setup with no surge suppression at all gave o
flaps overnight with an OEM POE installed.
When we added a REV D suppression to the OEM POE there were only
10 flaps overnight and no GPS sync to the AP with CMM3.
When we added REV B to the OEM POE there were only 14 flaps
overnight and no GPS to the AP with CMM3
We used the same two APs for all this testing.
Strangely enough I have an epmp force 200 backhaul at this site
that is running through the REV B with OEM POE and has had 0 flaps
overs a few weeks now and has negotiated Gbps speed. Could be a
fluke, could be wire. Hard to say.
Breaking the shielding on the cables made no difference in flaps
or GPS still no joy.
I have removed Gbps from the negotiation option on the Microtik at
this point and every one of the APs regardless of REV B or REV D
have worked perfectly on 100mbps with OEM POE or Packetflux and
obviously also with the surge suppression. I am fine running at
100mbps on our ePMP and plan to leave it configured this way.
This site defiantly did not like Gbps, packetflux and the
suppression all in the mix at the same time.
Hopefully this helps Chuck as he digs into the ubiquity issue. I
don’t have any in my network.
Best Regards,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
Removing the
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration
settings. (UPDATE)
Looks like REV D is the one you want.
*From:*Brandon Yuchasz
*Sent:*Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:29 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings.
(UPDATE)
Thanks everyone for the feedback.
Chuck, I will check the version of the GIGE-APC. Although when I
ordered from CTI “my guy” assured me they were the newest.
George, I ran the unit on 48 volts for a while but wanted to step
down to 30 volts incase down the road someone plugs a none GPS
ePMP backhaul into the unit. Not sure how the none GPS ePMP would
feel about 48 volts.
Thanks,
Brandon
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:22 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration
settings. (UPDATE)
I would check the rev of the GIGE-APC card. Older cards did not
play well with ePMP sync over power.
*From:*Brandon Yuchasz
*Sent:*Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:39 PM
*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings.
(UPDATE)
Forest,
Thanks for the reply. I will answer your questions below but won’t
be able to try the breaking of the shielded cable until I visit
the site again. It could be a couple weeks before I am there again.
Here is the info:
We were running 24 volts ( although as you pointed out I took it
up to 48 volts by putting it in place of the 450i) I did not have
a 30 volt on the truck so put the 24 volt in until I could replace it.
Cable length is less than 200 feet probably closer to 180 feet.
It was about 40 degrees F when I was trying to do this and sunny.
This is a gigabit sync injector . The 450i that I plugged it in
place of was/ is being fed by a PowerInjector Plus. ( have not
touched the jumpers)
These are being feed through a MTOW ( newest version rack mount
APC style ) suppression. I could look it up for model but I think
you know what I mean.
One thing worth mentioning is my MicroTik RB1100 was having issues
negotiation Gig connections on the ePMP APs and the 450i APs. I
ended up letting it negotiate 100mb instead. The ePMP backhauls
are running auto negotiated gig no problem but are on Cambium OEM
POE instead of a packetflux for power. Same suppression in place
and same shielded cables.
Let me know your thoughts. I am happy to try breaking the
shielding connection and report back but like I said it could be a
few weeks.
Thanks Brandon
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 5:02 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration
settings. (UPDATE)
It sounds like you covered all of your bases, especially since you
plugged the ePMP radio in where the 450i was and it didn't
work. So some of the ones below don't seem to apply:
What voltage are you running the injector at?
How much cable length are you running?
The ePMP radios reallly are picky about 24V and long cable runs,
especially when it's cold out.
This is a gigabit syncinjector, right? If so, I won't ask you if
you changed any jumpers in the units.
I do have one very odd request:
If these are shielded cables running up the tower, can you somehow
break the shield on the bottom end? A short unshielded pigtail
to a keystone jack often works. If you have a surge protector at
the bottom, try inserting this either between the injector and the
surge, and alternatively between the surge and the cable up the
tower. I've had 1-2 reports that reterminating the cables with
unshielded ends at the bottom causes otherwise unsyncable ePMP
radios to suddenly start receiving sync.
-forrest
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Brandon Yuchasz
<li...@gogebicrange.net <mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net>> wrote:
So to update this previous post. Went to the site and confirmed
that yes we were getting the blinking sync light on the
SyncInjector feeding the ePMP APs, I logged into the AP that did
not have GPS and set it to use the CMM3. Rebooted and no joy still
no GPS. Frustrated I ended up unplugging the cable feeing one of
my 450iAPs that was receiving sync from the PowerInjector Plus and
plugged the ePMP APs cable into it. Still no joy no GPS after
waiting several minutes. I am not sure how my 450i APs can be
receiving GPS from the unit but the ePMP doesn’t from the same feed.
I ended up doing a climb and relocated the antenna for the onboard
GPS in the ePMP. It now has GPS from the onboard unit but it would
still be nice to have the secondary over power working.
Any thoughts I am all ears.
Thanks,
Brandon
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2017 12:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings.
I don't have any CTMs. But I believe the CTM1 = CMM3 and CTM2 = CMM4.
On 2/20/2017 11:48 AM, Dan Petermann wrote:
Do you know what to select when using a CTM?
On Feb 17, 2017, at 12:53 AM, George Skorup
<george.sko...@cbcast.com <mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>>
wrote:
If the 1PPS LED is blinking on the daisy-chained SyncInjector,
then I'd say it's fine with a straight-through cat5.
The ePMP1000 GPS radios will take 802.3af or Canopy -4/5 +7/8
at either 24 or 48 volts. Running them at 48-56 as others have
pointed out several times in the past is better with the cold
startup and whatnot.
The ePMP Sync radios don't do AutoSync like Canopy. You have
to select internal (generate in Canopy terms), GPS (on-board),
CMM3 or CMM4 for Sync Source on the Config > Radio page. You
want to select CMM3 when using a PacketFlux injector.
On 2/16/2017 11:58 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:
Thanks,
Patch between the two packetflux is 1 foot.
ePMP is running 6.2.1.X ( don�t want to go to 3.2.x
until they work out one more bug. )
Using the SyncBox Junior for the syncpipe.
Cable runs to the APs are 140 feet
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*From:*�Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]�*On Behalf
Of�*That One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:*�Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:51 PM
*To:*�af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:*�Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux
configuration settings.
�
Shorter the better on the cable
Update all the components to the current firmware, and
verify the syncpipe is the right revision. The default
pinout on the pins inside works with 48v ps
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On Feb 16, 2017 11:35 PM, "Brandon Yuchasz"
<li...@gogebicrange.net <mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net>>
wrote:
Hopefully and easy question here.
�
We have always used the onboard GPS for ePMP access points
up until this point.� We recently installed 4 new ePMP
APs and the tower blocks our north facing AP from getting
GPS on the onboard GPS. All other track GPS just fine. We
also have 450 APs on the tower and are using a PacketFlux
PowerInjector Plus to power them and provide GPS and its
working fine. I then installed a Gigabit SyncInjector (
had it on the shelf new) �to power the ePMP APs and
connected it to the GPS feed with a standard patch cable
on the PowerInjector Plus. Light flashes shows its getting
GPS but no joy on the ePMP AP.
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So my questions are :
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what configuration should I use in the ePMP AP?
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And I am fairly sure stadard patch cable is acceptable
between the two packet flux but I wanted to confirm?
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Thanks everyone.
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Brandon Yuchasz
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