I just think it is funny that you are speaking about religion as if it can be confirmed with the scientific method.
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 9:40 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > I told him that a shrewd person hedges their bets. I sure do not want to > step into a possible new existence with a God pissed off at me. Costs > nothing and the potential upside is huge. Better than buying a lottery > ticket. > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Saturday, April 29, 2017 9:36 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD > > shoot him this one...."I know there ain't no heaven. but I PRAY there is > no HELL." > > Jaime Solorza > Wireless Systems Architect > 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390> > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> This professor and I have been going for 24 hours now. He quickly >> dropped to taunts like “have your dead son do something” or pray to god to >> cure all amputees. Odd crap like that. >> >> He guy is 62 year old and throws in a “you lose” and “reality check” with >> every posting. I am trying to asking for definitions of things he says >> like reality, truth, integrity etc. He does not want to do anything but >> say how dishonest I am and how repugnant, dishonest, and disgusting all >> religions are and to make unkind comments about my “dead son”. >> >> It is kinda fun playing defense on an increasingly vitriolic thread. I >> really got him wound up. Must be sad in his reality. >> >> >> >> *From:* Gino A. Villarini >> *Sent:* Saturday, April 29, 2017 6:20 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD >> >> I have always had this notion that what we understand as our universe a >> quark of someone else universe… >> >> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of "p...@believewireless.net" < >> p...@believewireless.net> >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> Date: Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 7:01 AM >> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD >> >> I had an astronomy professor in college and we got to the part where we >> talked about the >> theories on how the universe was created. Obviously the one that has the >> most "compelling >> concrete evidence" is the big bang theory. So we are told that the >> universe started with >> hydrogen and helium..... then something happened..... (we still have no >> clue what happened >> in that first billionth of a second) and then everything was created. >> >> The bible tells us in the beginning there was God and darkness.... then >> something >> happened.... and then there was light. >> >> So my professor pointed out that both science and religion both start >> with a premise that >> something existed out of nothing and that then something else happened >> and here we are. >> So they could both be right and they could both be wrong. Science doesn't >> tell us where >> the helium and hydrogen came from and religion doesn't tell us where God >> came from. >> >> Sort of link someone saying, "How do you become a millionaire?" And you >> respond, >> "Well, first get 1 million dollars." >> >> >> >> >> *Gino A. Villarini* >> President >> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >> >> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:00 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> No, debate and the scientific method is OK. >>> >>> *From:* Josh Reynolds >>> *Sent:* Friday, April 28, 2017 12:51 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD >>> >>> So we've cut out politics, but religion is ok? >>> >>> - Josh >>> >>> On Apr 28, 2017 1:42 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> >>>> This guy wrote an op ed piece in the Salt Lake Tribune today >>>> criticizing a >>>> doctor for claiming that divine intervention saved his wife's life, and >>>> the >>>> doctor had the temerity to make this announcement on earth day. So Mr. >>>> PhD >>>> had to take him to task in the news paper. >>>> >>>> I looked up the guys email address and sent him the note (at the bottom >>>> of >>>> the thread). Not sure if I will get any further replies but I did have >>>> some >>>> fun this morning... >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: ch...@directcom.com >>>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 12:35 PM >>>> To: Gregory Arthur Clark >>>> Subject: Re: Letter in the tribune >>>> >>>> So odd and unexpected. >>>> >>>> A truth seeker that resorts insulting someone that disagrees and then >>>> slams >>>> the door? >>>> Is that part of the scientific method? >>>> >>>> Personally, I prefer my pet theories to be disproved so I can continue >>>> the >>>> search. >>>> >>>> (BTW, countless anecdotal beyond the veil stories that reveal previously >>>> unknown information. But it seems your search for truth in that >>>> direction >>>> is clearly halted. ) >>>> >>>> See you in 150 years mate! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Arthur Clark >>>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 12:28 PM >>>> To: ch...@directcom.com >>>> Subject: RE: Letter in the tribune >>>> >>>> Replies below. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: ch...@directcom.com [mailto:ch...@directcom.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 12:04 PM >>>> To: Gregory Arthur Clark <greg.cl...@utah.edu> >>>> Subject: Re: Letter in the tribune >>>> >>>> Hmmm, I note some emotion there. >>>> >>>> Odd indeed that you are so worked up when if you parse what I wrote, I >>>> was >>>> not conveying any information about my beliefs in anything. Nor was I >>>> defending at all what Daniels said. I don't. >>>> >>>> Odd that you seem to immediately judge me as a dishonest person. >>>> --------------- >>>> GC: Curious that you object to my inferences while making so many of >>>> your >>>> own. Your irrelevant ad-homs are telling and typical. >>>> >>>> ======== >>>> >>>> Just simply pointing out that it is difficult to prove that something >>>> does >>>> not exist. >>>> You seem to want to debate. I do know stats and null hypothesis >>>> analysis, I >>>> am educated. I am an engineer. >>>> ---- >>>> GC: Some educated people still tout nonsense. Your opening >>>> proving-a-negative trope explicitly wrt religion reflects ignorance, >>>> trolling, or both. Lose-lose-lose. >>>> >>>> ========== >>>> Just teasing a bit. You seem to want to reject even the possibility >>>> that >>>> some form of us will exist in 150 years such that we can communicate >>>> with >>>> each other. >>>> ---- >>>> GC: As Hitch says, that which can be asserted without evidence can be >>>> dismissed without evidence. But it's worse than that. Psychics are >>>> frauds, >>>> as are all who claim to relay or receive messages from beyond the veil. >>>> There is compelling concrete evidence that, when put to the test, >>>> consciousness does not exist without brain function. >>>> >>>> • Clark, G.A. “Science doesn’t support life after death claims.” Guest >>>> commentary. Standard-Examiner, October 22, 2014 (on-line); October 24 >>>> (print). >>>> Those who return from beyond the veil never tell us anything they >>>> couldn’t >>>> have said without going anywhere at all. There is no demonstrable >>>> awareness >>>> after brain shutdown. That’s what this scientific study actually >>>> shows--despite trumpeted claims otherwise by the popular press. >>>> http://www.standard.net/Guest-Commentary/2014/10/26/Science- >>>> doesn-t-support-life-after-death-claims.html >>>> >>>> ============================= >>>> I don't reject that idea at all, I hope for it. >>>> >>>> GC: Your inabilities are clearly stated and understood. But not >>>> respected. >>>> >>>> ============== >>>> If it doesn't happen I will never know. But if it does, expect a visit! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Gregory Arthur Clark >>>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 11:56 AM >>>> To: ch...@directcom.com >>>> Subject: RE: Letter in the tribune >>>> >>>> Thanks for your input, Chuck. My replies are interdigitated below. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: ch...@directcom.com [mailto:ch...@directcom.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 10:46 AM >>>> To: Gregory Arthur Clark <greg.cl...@utah.edu> >>>> Subject: Letter in the tribune >>>> >>>> Dr. Clark, >>>> >>>> “Because when it comes to the real world, science works. Religion >>>> doesn’t.” >>>> >>>> You can prove a negative? Just because you have not yet found the knobs >>>> that control how religion works, does not mean they do not exist. >>>> ---- >>>> GC: From a pure epistemological standpoint, science and empirical >>>> evidence >>>> and inductive logic can't "prove" anything, positive or negative, with >>>> 100% >>>> certainty. So what? Science deals with probabilities. That's why >>>> scientific >>>> journals indicate the probabilities associated with rejecting the null >>>> hypothesis. >>>> >>>> What science can do is to disconfirm hypotheses beyond a reasonable >>>> doubt. >>>> Absence of evidence is indeed evidence of absence -- if the evidence >>>> should >>>> be there, but repeatedly and reproducibly is not. Science often *does* >>>> reject negatives. So do we as people. We reject the hypothesis that >>>> saying >>>> "abracadabra" cures all cancers, immediately. We reject the hypothesis >>>> that >>>> Godzilla just devoured all of Salt Lake City. We can reject the God >>>> hypothesis with much the same certainty as we reject the God hypothesis. >>>> >>>> Stop making dishonest, special-pleading exceptions for God. >>>> >>>> ============= >>>> I think you would agree that the placebo effect is a real thing. So in >>>> the >>>> case where religion triggers the placebo effect religion arguably does >>>> work. >>>> --- >>>> GC: Don't move the goal posts. Of course thinking and prayer and all >>>> sorts >>>> of mental activities can affect *the person doing them*. But it's >>>> self-evident and explicit that my op-ed refers to intercessory prayer >>>> regarding the *external physical world.* Praying to God has the same >>>> effect >>>> on the external physical world as praying to horse manure: None. >>>> >>>> ========== >>>> Not trying to be a troll, I am serious. I think that there is some >>>> chance >>>> that we do live in “the matrix” or perhaps our universe is contained in >>>> a >>>> small charm dangling from the collar of a cat. >>>> >>>> Will make you a wager, in 150 years if some of my ideas are correct, I >>>> will >>>> look you up and you will owe me the equivalent of a cosmic cup of >>>> coffee. >>>> Deal? >>>> --- >>>> GC: I call your bluff. Why wait? >>>> Pray, now, that God will heal all adult human amputees by re-growing >>>> their >>>> missing limbs. It's in the power of an omnipotent God to do so. >>>> And yet you know and I know and Professor Daniels knows and essentially >>>> *every* sane adult knows that you will fail. >>>> Stop making excuses for God. God "answers" prayers the same way that >>>> horse >>>> manure "answers" prayers: Not at all. >>>> Religion is ridiculous, repugnant, and deeply dishonest. Stop lying to >>>> yourself. And to others. >>>> >>>> ======== >>>> Over and out, >>>> Greg >>>> ============ >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Chuck McCown >>>> >>>> >> > >
