Most of the electricians I know don't know much about low voltage cabling. They treat the cable like it's Romex.

Steve Jones wrote:
It sounds like this would be worth a WISPA look, considering worst case scenario it could price out the bulk of the membership

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:35 PM, Mitch Koep <af...@abwisp.com <mailto:af...@abwisp.com>> wrote:

    Just got off the phone with our local State Inspector

    His take is if the device is outside and NOT getting power

    from inside the property it is located at then it is exempt (such as

    telco and CATV).

    If the outdoor device gets power from inside the property

    then it is NOT exempt.


    Mitch



    On 05/12/2017 11:18 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
    I think the key phrase is this one: "located outdoors or in
    building spaces used exclusively for such installations".

    I do prefer your interpretation, and I hope you're correct.

    If you're not correct, then does the inside of the wall count as
    a space used only for utilities?  So maybe if the drop cable
    stays inside the wall and then goes to a jack maybe that would
    make it all ok?

    My brother works for Time Warner / Spectrum, so I asked him if
    he'd heard anything about this from the company.  The answer was,
    "no but it sounds awesome."  He would actually prefer to stop at
    a termination point outside and say, "I'm sorry, I can't touch
    any wiring inside your house, the law says only an electrician
    can do that.  The service is definitely working out here though."

    He might have a point.  The customer would absolutely hate that,
    but strictly from a cost and efficiency point of view it might
    work out to be a good thing.



    ------ Original Message ------
    From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    Sent: 5/12/2017 10:39:50 AM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn

    The whole company and everything we do is not covered.  That is
    how I read it.
    Not covered:
    *Informational Note to (4) and (5): Examples of utilities may
    include those entities that are typically designated or
    recognized by governmental law or regulation by public
    service/utility commissions and that install, operate, and
    maintain electric supply (such as generation, transmission, or
    distribution systems) or communications systems (such as
    telephone, CATV,*
    *_Internet, satellite, or data services_). *
    *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
    *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 1:42 AM
    *To:* af
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn
    Doesn't the note only apply to this exemption:
    "(4) Installations of communications equipment under the
    exclusive control of communications utilities located outdoors
    or in building spaces used exclusively for such installations."

    So your CO or NOC would be fine. Probably a phone room as well.
    Same with pedestals, outdoor cabinents, and I'd argue the ONT on
    the outside of a building.

    Hanging an indoor ONT/NID in someone's garage wouldn't be "in
building spaces used exclusively for such installations". Neither would an installation in an office space, etc....
    *
    *
    *
    *
    On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
    wrote:

        I read it as our entity is not covered.  So everything we do.
        *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
        *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 6:07 PM
        *To:* af
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] NEC heartburn
        The way I read this, an outdoor ONT is exempt. ..  an indoor
        one would not be?
        On May 11, 2017 4:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

            NFPA 70: DOCUMENT SCOPE
            90.2 Scope.
            (A) Covered. This Code covers the installation and
            removal of electrical conductors, equipment, and
            raceways; signaling and communications conductors,
            equipment, and raceways; and optical fiber cables and
            raceways for the following:
            (1) Public and private premises, including buildings,
            structures, mobile homes, recreational vehicles, and
            floating buildings
            (2) Yards, lots, parking lots, carnivals, and industrial
            substations
            (3) Installations of conductors and equipment that
            connect to the supply of electricity
            (4) Installations used by the electric utility, such as
            office buildings, warehouses, garages, machine shops,
            and recreational buildings, that are not an integral
            part of a generating plant, substation, or control center
            *(B) Not Covered. This Code does not cover the following:*
            (1) Installations in ships, watercraft other than
            floating buildings, railway rolling stock, aircraft, or
            automotive vehicles other than mobile homes and
            recreational vehicles
            Informational Note: Although the scope of this Code
            indicates that the Code does not cover installations in
            ships, portions of this Code are incorporated by
            reference into Title 46, Code of
            Federal Regulations, Parts 110–113.
            (2) Installations underground in mines and
            self-propelled mobile surface mining machinery and its
            attendant electrical trailing cable
            (3) Installations of railways for generation,
            transformation, transmission, energy storage, or
            distribution of power used exclusively for operation of
            rolling stock or installations used exclusively for
            signaling and communications purposes
            *(4) Installations of communications equipment under the
            exclusive control of communications utilities located
            outdoors or in building spaces used exclusively for such
            installations*
            (5) Installations under the exclusive control of an
            electric utility where such installations
            a. Consist of service drops or service laterals, and
            associated metering, or
            b. Are on property owned or leased by the electric
            utility for the purpose of communications, metering,
            generation, control, transformation, transmission,
            energy storage, or distribution of electric energy, or
            c. Are located in legally established easements or
            rights-of-way, or
            d. Are located by other written agreements either
            designated by or recognized by public service
            commissions, utility commissions, or other regulatory
            agencies having jurisdiction for such installations.
            These written agreements shall be limited to
            installations for the purpose of communications,
            metering, generation, control, transformation,
            transmission, energy storage, or distribution of
            electric energy where legally established easements or
            rights-of-way cannot be obtained. These installations
            shall be limited to federal lands, Native American
            reservations through the U.S. Department of the Interior
            Bureau of Indian Affairs, military bases, lands
            controlled by port authorities and state agencies and
            departments, and lands owned by railroads.
            *Informational Note to (4) and (5): Examples of
            utilities may include those entities that are typically
            designated or recognized by governmental law or
            regulation by public service/utility commissions and
            that install, operate, and maintain electric supply
            (such as generation, transmission, or distribution
            systems) or communications systems (such as telephone,
            CATV,*
            *_Internet, satellite, or data services_). Utilities may
            be subject to compliance with codes and standards
            covering their regulated activities as adopted under
            governmental law or regulation.*
            Additional information can be found through consultation
            with the appropriate governmental bodies, such as state
            regulatory commissions, the Federal Energy Regulatory
            Commission, and the Federal Communications Commission.
            (C) Special Permission. The authority having
            jurisdiction for enforcing this Code may grant exception
            for the installation of conductors and equipment that
            are not under the exclusive control of the electric
            utilities and are used to connect the electric utility
            supply system to the service conductors of the premises
            served, provided such installations are outside a
            building or structure, or terminate inside at a readily
            accessible location nearest the point of entrance of the
            service conductors.



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