It's roughly 6x cheaper here compared to what you are paying. - Josh
On May 26, 2017 12:07 PM, "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net> wrote: > Buying cheap is buying twice (and mounting). Dont know what your license > cost is. In Germany it would be 6kEuro for 56MHz x 2 V+H for 10 years. > Looking at cheap lastgen licensed gear like e.g. SIAE Alfo+ the difference > is not that much. > > Blocking frequency does only make sense where regulations does allow > inefficient/interfering gear. I would not get a licensed frequency for a > Wifi-based Radio like Mimosa. With higher quality gear you could reuse the > frequency every 30 degree. So there is more free spectrum to use. > > On Fri, 26 May 2017 16:54:07 +0000 > Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yeah, I really don't see it as being an issue with the AF11. With Mimosas, >> the fact that you're having to license both channels both directions, >> certainly has the potential to cause problems trying to coordinate around >> your own stuff, and that's not really going to be particularly useful as >> far as the "reserving" channels argument goes. But with the AF11, they're >> operating exactly the same as a normal licensed radio with a (technically >> two channels, if you're using MIMO) transmit channel and a receive >> channel, >> so going to a more efficient radio is going to just be a direct drop in... >> it's really not the worst thing to use a spectrally inefficient radio on a >> link that's probably going to need to be upgraded to something faster in a >> few years from that point of view. >> >> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> >> wrote: >> >> Mark, I can see your point in Mimosa units, but AF11x units do no operate >>> the same way >>> >>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Mark Radabaugh < >>> m...@amplex.net> >>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>> Date: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 12:07 PM >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences >>> >>> The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands is my biggest >>> beef >>> with the inexpensive licensed links on the market by Ubiquiti and Mimosa. >>> Yes they transfer a lot of data, but they do it by using very large >>> amounts >>> of scarce spectrum in both H&V channels. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Gino A. Villarini* >>> President >>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>> >>> On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>> *sigh* I hate the FCC's web site. >>> >>> No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for SWX-AF11 >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences >>> >>> Do you have to have some sort of Login for that? I just return a plain >>> 'You are not authorized to access this page.' when following the link. >>> >>> On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> >>> https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3152229 >>> >>> Page 60 >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:20:42 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences >>> >>> My theory is that the AF11FX "40 MHz" channel used in the previous >>> example >>> I posted is actually something like 33 or 34 MHz wide if you look at it >>> on >>> a $15,000 bench test spectrum analyzer. >>> >>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard < <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> It is significantly worse... Look at the spec sheets. Our old SAF Lumina >>>> can do 366mbps in a single polarity 256qam 56mhz channel... an AF11 >>>> doesn't >>>> even match that running at 1024qam - it will theoretically do somewhere >>>> around 340mbps at 1024qam and somewhere around 275mbps at 256qam. >>>> >>>> On May 25, 2017 9:06 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" < <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> >>>> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> If all you can get on a particular path is a theoretical single 40 MHz >>>>> wide FDD channel pair, one polarity, I don't see how the 1024QAM bps/Hz >>>>> efficiency would be significantly worse than a competing single >>>>> polarity >>>>> product (SAF Integra, etc) running in the same channel size. Unless >>>>> you are >>>>> counting more expensive competing products that advertise header >>>>> compression and very different Mbps rates for 64-byte vs much larger >>>>> packet >>>>> sizes. >>>>> >>>>> It's very cost effective so I will forgive it many things, my main >>>>> problem is that it can't actually *use* near the full width of an 80 >>>>> MHz channel. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 6:26 PM, George Skorup < >>>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yeah. Cost is one thing, but if all you can get is a single polarity on >>>>>> a particular path, the AF11 is probably one of the last things I'd >>>>>> look at. >>>>>> Congestion is a problem around here. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/25/2017 8:21 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/25/17 18:12, Mathew Howard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We're running the full 56mhz/MIMO... I haven't been able to get them >>>>>>>> to run at 1024qam yet (antennas still need to be fine tuned, it >>>>>>>> wasn't >>>>>>>> ideal weather conditions when we put them up, so I'm hoping we'll >>>>>>>> be able >>>>>>>> to get a bit more out them), so they're only at around 550Mbps >>>>>>>> capacity >>>>>>>> (and I've verified the link will do around 500Mbps with real >>>>>>>> traffic). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Only 500 meg with two channels? Crap, I have an old Exalt that can do >>>>>>> that with only one channel at 256QAM. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ----- GENIAS INTERNET -- www.genias.net ------ > Stefan Englhardt Email: s...@genias.net > Dr. Gesslerstr. 20 D-93051 Regensburg > Tel: +49 941 942798-0 Fax: +49 941 942798-9 >
