Agreed. Stop using copper.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 10:53:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 recommendation For 10gig go fiber. 10gig on copper comes with too many caveats IMO. If you're going to learn new tools and techniques anyway, might as well be fiber. ------ Original Message ------ From: "David Coudron" < david.coud...@advantenon.com > To: "af@afmug.com" < af@afmug.com > Sent: 6/12/2017 9:40:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 recommendation As an update on my earlier message. We spent the better part of two days terminating lots of Cat6a shielded outdoor burial cable. We used this because we couldn’t get pre-terminated Cat6a, only Cat6 at a reasonable price (although we may not have spent enough time looking). These are for longer runs were we are worried about the length limitation of Cat6 for 10gig. All I can say is what a huge pain these Cat6a ends are. The loader bars are flimsy as heck, and don’t typically line up the wires well enough. We got better as the days went on, but still saw a failure rate of 10-25% terminating these cables. On normal Cat5e terminations, we are surprised if we get 1 in 100 that are bad. We are looking for something different in the future. We will continue to buy pre-terminated for runs under 50 meters, and if we can find some decent pricing on Cat6a pre-terminated we are heading in that direction. Way too much time spent putting cable ends on……. Regards, David Coudron david.coud...@advantenon.com | Mobile: 612-991-7474 Advantenon, Inc. cid:image001.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0cid:image002.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0cid:image003.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0cid:image004.png@01CEE562.60FF8FC0 i...@advantenon.com | 3500 Vicksburg Lane N , Suite 315 , Plymouth, MN 55447 | www.advantenon.com | Phone: 800-704-4720 | Local: 612-454-1545 From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of David Milholen Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 5:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 recommendation Cat5E Superior Essex with shielded heads bonded to shield at the radio. ONE AND DONE! On 6/8/2017 8:02 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: <blockquote> Cat 5 should be sufficient but one radio shares a tower with 2 FM stations so we're having to do everything we can to mitigate interference. The other problem is a mystery since it's on a decommission water tank with no other radios than ours. David Coudron wrote: <blockquote> We are just starting to install a number of towers where we are using Mimosa equipment and have run Cat6a for those where the cabinets won't be on top of the tower. For the ones that are on top of the tower we ordered pre-terminated cables. Just too much hassle for the cost. For those where we had to run cable to the top we ordered new quiktex ends since they use the regular old crimpers. We couldn't find any ends to work with our Ez rj45 crimper. We will be terminating those cables the next few days. We do have Mimosa equipment installed with Cat5e cable and it works fine now. We initially had issues with the Ethernet ports dropping and replaced POEs and were considering recabling. However fixing the RF link interference issues and some firmware upgrades have really stabilized those Ethernet ports now. We haven't had an Ethernet port go down in 10 months since we did that work. (I am currently knocking on wood. 🙂 ) Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Christopher Gray <cg...@graytechsoftware.com> *Sent:* Thursday, June 8, 2017 7:20:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 recommendation I bought some Shireen Cat6 to try. The OD of the insulation on the Shireen Cat6 (and other Cat6 cables I've found so far) make it unusable with the EZ-RJ45 plugs. So, I ended up purchasing new plugs, and should have purchased a new crimper. I later asked here about using Cat6 with Mimosa and got a fairly resounding "Cat5e is enough" at the time. In the end, it seemed like a giant pain for any spot other than having great interference. On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Jay Weekley < par...@cyberbroadband.net <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote: We recently received a recommendation from Mimosa to replace our shielded Cat 5 with Cat6. We've been using Shireen lately and they have a Cat 6 product. What would you use? Has anyone had problems with using Cat 5 with Mimosa? <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> </blockquote> -- </blockquote>
