60 GHz has very different atmospheric performance than 71-86 GHz FDD.  2
miles at 80 GHz with 60cm/2' dishes is pretty normal now. The peak in this
chart right at 60 GHz is one of the reasons why it's unlicensed.

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On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:06 PM, Jaime Solorza <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I have installed 2 mile 80GHz links at Fort Bliss several years ago..I am
> sure newer technology will improve fade margin.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jun 27, 2017 8:01 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> 60 GHz PtMP at 1-3 miles?  I want some of whatever you're smoking because
>> it must be some primo stuff. If you put up a few 500 to 800 meter distance
>> 60 GHz PTP links and monitor them over a multi month period, you'll see
>> that you really don't want to go much longer than that. I can't imagine
>> that the gain of the Ignitenet 60 GHz sector antenna is much better than a
>> typical 25, 30 or 60cm parabolic antenna used for 60 GHz PTP stuff.
>>
>> If I had to guess the 60 GHz PtMP will be reliable at distance of more
>> like 400-500 meters, tops, with properly aimed CPEs.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What IgniteNet is selling is a 60ghz PTMP with a built in 5ghz backup
>>> radio.  It's understood that the 60ghz connection will go down due to rain
>>> fade, but the built-in 5ghz backup should keep the customer trucking (with
>>> reduced capacity).  I think you'd be installing at ranges of 1-3 miles for
>>> the 60ghz to run at decent MCS, and at that range I think you'll still get
>>> decent capacity out of the 5ghz.  You'll get a lower speed test, but I'd
>>> bet it's possible to design so that Netflix keeps running.
>>>
>>>
>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Sent: 6/27/2017 11:38:32 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>>>
>>> 1. What is acceptable downtime on pure 60GHz.  It is possible to
>>> engineering it to practically no downtime although less economical.
>>>
>>>
>>> Zero.  If it goes down the phone will ring.  With a well designed and
>>> installed Canopy system there was no downtime.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. What is the acceptable backup bandwidth?  If there is at least SOME
>>> internet available during 4-5" rains, is that acceptable?
>>>
>>> If you are talking about something built in, then the acceptable backup
>>> is whatever fools the customer into thinking that Netflix is not impacted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

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