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From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 8:34 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.
Like it's Fly? I still use bitchin
Jaime Solorza
On Jul 21, 2017 8:24 AM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
What happened to gat, that was so 90s
On Jul 21, 2017 9:08 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Gangster movies called them a “piece”.
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 8:05 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.
Quete is slang for hand gun around here
Jaime Solorza
On Jul 21, 2017 7:03 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
I get a real kick out of 'language' it's differences and word usage by
folks from different areas !
(I learned Queen's English, as such folks often pointed out to me that my
choice of words in conversation were sometimes not common).
Love how in this thread folks have refereed to their "side arm" as Gun,
Revolver, Luger, Heat, and Pistol !....
You all are now making me think that I need to add the SuperSoaker as a
standard item in my toolbag !
:)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
----- Original Message -----
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:11:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
Mitigation.
> It's a scary feeling when you get to a site that is in the middle of
> nowhere late at night to find out it's been vandalized and not know
> where the culprit is. I've started taking a pistol on my late night
> service calls if I am alone and almost always have a mag light with me
> day or night.
>
> Robert Haas wrote:
>>
>> I carry afterhours when I am responding by myself – some areas I will
>> not respond to after hours alone or otherwise. I do not carry during
>> normal business hours.
>>
>> For our techs though, they are told to leave the area immediately if
>> there is a significant threat, then to call the office or police.
>>
>> --
>>
>> We’ve had 2 incidents of people pulling weapons on our techs recently.
>>
>> One was a scheduled site survey. CSR’s called and spoke with the lady
>> and gave her a time frame to expect the tech. Tech showed up, knocked
>> on the door, rang the doorbell etc. and there was no response. He
>> began doing the survey and was standing on the extension ladder when
>> the lady came out and started screaming at him and pointing a revolver
>> at him. The tech ran up the ladder and over the peak of the house. She
>> came around the other side of the house and screamed at him to get off
>> the roof – he got down and loaded his ladder up and left.
>>
>> She called complaining that we showed up un-announced and our vehicles
>> aren’t marked – both of which are false – we also wear company shirts
>> with our logo.
>>
>> The best part was her husband called up later wanting to know if it
>> passed or not and then got pissed when we told him that we refused to
>> service his location..
>>
>> --
>>
>> The other we had a tech out on a service call. The house’s eves were
>> rotten and the J-arm and radio had fallen off the eve. Tech sent me
>> pics of the house which was pretty much falling in on itself. I told
>> the tech to speak to the homeowner about putting a 4x4 post down at
>> the corner of the house so we could re-attach the radio but that we
>> were not going to be able to mount the radio back on the house due to
>> its condition. Homeowner blows up goes inside and comes back out with
>> a shotgun and tells the tech to take the equipment otherwise he was
>> going to blow his head off.
>>
>> --
>>
>> I’ve personally have had people walk up on me while working at a site
>> in the early morning hours like at 1-2am. Nothing came of them – they
>> were just intoxicated out wandering I guess.
>>
>> I also, completely on accident, hit a guy with a half full 44 ounce
>> soda who was digging in one of our dumpsters at 3am. I was working
>> late and was finished and cleaning up, the dumpster is probably 15’ or
>> so from the door of the shelter. I walked out and took a couple of
>> steps towards my van and threw my soda into the dumpster. Unbeknown to
>> me he was digging through the dumpster and I nailed him right in the
>> head and the cup burst on him. He was slightly peeved and started
>> towards me. All I could think to grab was my mag light out of the
>> passenger seat of my van. I told him if he got any closer that we were
>> going to find out how well the flashlight held up being used like a
bat.
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:08 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
>> Mitigation.
>>
>> alot is dependent on area. Urban, most definitely allow for self
>> defense weapons withing local applicable law. If you have a 2A guy who
>> gets harmed and you have a policy disallowing self defense, then thats
>> a liability, then again so is a yahoo with a gun in your truck.
>>
>> We go into too many banks and schools, and other prohibited location,
>> i would not carry at work
>>
>> I do however always have a 36 inch 1 7/8 water pipe for discussions
>> and conflict resolution
>>
>> Training itself is another liability, say you offer self defense
>> training to your guys, and one of them beats some mope to a pulp, you
>> trained him to do that, even though its well outside the scope of a
>> self defense class. Then again, dont train him and have a mope beat
>> him to a pulp, theres liability in that too.
>>
>> I have a tech right now who may spar with a customer we have to go out
>> to over the customers recent antics. Im trying to get the boss to get
>> him a gladiator outfit and helmet. Nobody will start stuff with a guy
>> dressed like a gladiator, its best to just eliminate the issue before
>> it even starts.
>>
>> Get everybody a gladiator helmet, maybe let them carry a cudgel, or a
>> shillelagh
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 12:43 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Gun control is pretty political...
>>
>> Packing a weapon gives me options I am not sure I want myself to
>> have.
>>
>> *From:*Faisal Imtiaz
>>
>> *Sent:*Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:40 AM
>>
>> *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation
>> Mitigation.
>>
>> LOL ! and I believe that is exactly what the Ground Crew did (with
>> making the video).
>>
>> And so you are in agreement that :-
>>
>> "If you allow your crews to pack heat were they in the right to
>> defend themselves"
>>
>> Would not be the better, smarter or wiser way of dealing with such
!
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>Option 2 or
>> Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>
>>
>>
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>>
>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:06:01 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection /
>> Confrontation Mitigation.
>>
>> Call cops.
>>
>> Duck for cover.
>>
>> Administer first aid if you can do so without getting killed.
>>
>> *From:*Faisal Imtiaz
>>
>> *Sent:*Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:05 AM
>>
>> *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection /
>> Confrontation Mitigation.
>>
>> Let's turn this into a productive conversation, with
relevance...
>>
>> We all have crews working outside... so what should be the SOP
>> for them, under such circumstances ?
>>
>> What type of training do we need to provide to assure
>> everyone's safety ?
>>
>> What should be the reactions expected from the OSP Crew ?
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>Option 2 or
>> Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>
>>
>>
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>>
>> *From: *"Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net
>> <mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:59:34 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket
>> trucks
>>
>> YES, PLEASE keep this the pleasant WISP business related
>> site that we have re-established. We all have opinions,
but…
>>
>> Paul 😊
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of
>> *ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:40 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket
>> trucks
>>
>> Disparity in how cops treat perps based on skin color is
>> very political, like global warming, evolution and the
>> flat earth.
>>
>> All of which should be discussed on other forums as they
>> have nothing to do with operating a WISP.
>>
>> We lost Ken Hohof over this kind of thing last fall.
>>
>> *From:*Faisal Imtiaz
>>
>> *Sent:*Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:34 AM
>>
>> *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T bucket
>> trucks
>>
>> one last question...
>>
>> >> for this political BS
>>
>> Please do tell me how the Hell, what I posted and said is
>> "political" ?
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>Option
>> 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>
>>
>>
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>>
>> *From: *"Dustin Jurman" <dus...@rseng.net
>> <mailto:dus...@rseng.net>>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:03:56 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT&T
>> bucket trucks
>>
>> That’s just wrong Faisal to perpetuate this on this
>> list. There were a lot of great things you could have
>> stated here:
>>
>> Was AT&T on the guys property without permission?
>>
>> Safety of the guy in the bucket while someone is
>> shooting the tires out.
>>
>> Safety of the guy in the bucket while engine/controls
>> get shot out
>>
>> How the ground guys handled the situation
>>
>> If you allow your crews to pack heat were they in the
>> right to defend themselves
>>
>> You get where I’m going but this list has no place for
>> this political BS. The sad part is you sent this to
>> the list.
>>
>> Dustin
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
>> *Faisal Imtiaz
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:18 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Elderly Florida man vs.
>> AT&T bucket trucks
>>
>> Welcome to Miami
>>
>>
http://wsvn.com/news/local/elderly-hialeah-man-shoots-out-tires-of-att-truck-on-property/
>>
>> -----------------
>>
>> Here is the sad reality....
>>
>> Since this was an elderly white male, he was arrested..
>>
>> If this was a Brown or Black (or a younger) Person
>> most likely would have been shot on sight by the Cops.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518
>> <tel:%28305%29%20663-5518>Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> <mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>
>>
>>
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>>
>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:05:33 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Elderly Florida man vs.
>> AT&T bucket trucks
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IYUJa3rsEU
>>
>> Happened today.
>>
>>
>>
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