Real Choice chose not complete with Sling, Vue or the others, they are not a 
complete TV offering.  We chose to compete with Dish, Direct, Comcast, etc.  
Some day we will have OTT as well, when it is available without blackouts and 
missing channels.  Hopefully that will be sooner rather than later.  Right now 
we have a significantly more complete offering and more importantly, you can’t 
make any money selling those other products.  Just my .02

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Sling, Directv Now, Vue, YouTube TV  all do this for me now.

So plenty of cake out there for the eatin’


(But I am not eating carbs and sugar.  )

From: Dave
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Weelll cant have my cake and eat it too

On 09/29/2017 10:11 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
But I want true OTT via the open internet, not via a private connection.

From: Dave
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 6:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Realchoice and Rodeo both have that kind of guide.

On 09/27/2017 04:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I just signed up for the youtube tv trial.  I like that when you hit the plus 
button on a series it gives you a season pass on the series as part of the 
record option.  I don’t like the channel guide, unless I have not found it yet. 
 I like the directv style of guide.

From: Roger Timmerman
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

Youtube TV uses chromecast (they will send you a free one after your first 
payment), IOS devices, and Chrome browser.  I watch it mostly on my Vizio TV 
that has built in chromecast or on another TV that has an Apple TV.  Basically, 
you use your phone, tablet, or PC as a super remote-control. As far as the 
interface being the best, it uses live video feeds as the thumbnail image for 
each live channel (this is super cool).  While timeline scrubbing through a 
DVR'd show, it shows you a thumbnail of where you are while you scrub, so you 
can skip ads faster than any other interface.

In our market (Utah), Fox News is very popular, so this is a huge advantage 
over SlingTV.  Although we don't have an official marketing relationship with 
YoutubeTV, it essentially allows us to bundle 250Mbps Fiber Internet + 
YoutubeTV (local+network channels, 3 streams, 6 accounts) for $100/mo, or 1Gbps 
Fiber Internet plus YoutubeTV for $113/mo.  That's about $30 less than the 
non-OTT offerings which also require set top boxes, not to mention the hassle 
of dealing with local broadcast retransmission agreements and network channel 
distribution rights agreements which is far worse than dealing with the mafia.

Roger

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

What set top boxes can utilize YouTube tv ?

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Roger Timmerman" <timmer...@gmail.com<mailto:timmer...@gmail.com>>
To: <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] OTT-TV
Date: Wed, Sep 27, 2017 1:48 PM

We ditched our own IPTV system a couple years back.  We still promote 3 partner 
multicast IPTV systems across our network and Sling for OTT.  However, Youtube 
TV launched in our market and is way better than any other OTT system I've 
seen.  Local channels, network channels, cloud DVR and a much better user 
interface than anyone else.  It is very promising.  I think it is going to take 
the market for OTT (local broadcast and network channels) by storm.  I thought 
my TabloTV + SlingTV solution was pretty sweet but now I am only using Youtube 
TV and Netflix.  Worth checking out if available in your area.

Roger

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Joe Novak 
<jno...@lrcomm.com<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> wrote:
Even Comcast is jumping head first into a streaming service that will be able 
to use smart TVs and Rokus as the client devices.

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcasts-New-20-Streaming-Service-Wont-Count-Against-Caps-140411


On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:26 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
IGMP IPTV is something I wasted 5 years of my life on.  Never again.

From: Chris Fabien
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OTT-TV

We are in process of deploying Rodeo. It's been a long process and still not 
ready to launch. Be advised their system is true IGMP multicast and needs some 
specific network features to support that. Also will NOT handle packet loss or 
network congestion well at all. It's not like netflix where it goes to lower 
quality or buffers nicely.

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Dave 
<dmilho...@wletc.com<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
Anyone here doing Over The Top TV with their subs?
If so, What are some issues you deal with and which content provider are you 
working with?
We are looking into Rodeo and RealChoice for this solution.
Being that we are all wireless we want to be able to provide voip and some 
video with our higher tier package.

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