I wonder if anyone remembers OTH solutions used by oil rigs out in the gulf
and military.  Wonder if tilting antennas might help.  I know bouncing off
shields or water tanks works...

On Oct 4, 2017 4:18 PM, "Rick Harnish" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Steve,
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> What you are talking about may be related to the Rusty Bolt Effect.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusty_bolt_effect
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> Rust caused high Passive Intermodulation (PIM).  So beware of any rust
> (iron) in front of antennas or around it.  In LTE, we recommend the
> operator install Low-PIM cables between the eNodeB and the antenna ports.
> https://community.na.baicells.com/t/baitip-of-the-day-march-
> 21st-2017-dont-use-legacy-lmr-cable-with-lte-go-low-pim/281
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> I doubt Low-PIM cables would have any effect in reducing the impact of
> iron ridden soil, but your post is related enough, I thought I would point
> out a few things that may help.
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> Respectfully,
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> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 4, 2017 11:46 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Iron in the soil and RF
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> I asked once, never got response.
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> I have an area with predictable fading. Performs just like it would
> shooting across a metal roof.
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> a farmer some time back told me the soil in the area has crazy high iron
> content when we were dealing with grounding issues after wind farms came in
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> I have a soil testing company we do contract network management for that
> showed a plot 1 miles south with super high levels, they just dont have any
> plot samples in the specific area we are looking at
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> that plot shows 159-480ppm iron where average is 40-50ppm often lower.
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> reading through ham forums and whatnot there is alot of anecdotal evidence
> of mineral content of soil having impact, but no science behind it
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> as i understand it, the iron is more like rust and rf absobative more than
> reflective
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> the fade patterns match sunrise/sunset patterns (i assume this is more in
> relation to the accompanying temp,humidity patterns)
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> its been like this for the 7 years we have documented in this area, gets
> most unmanagable around august through the harvest.
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> The big question, is there any science behind this to justify soil
> sampling in these paths (i have to go out and get a whole bunch of access
> permits signed by property owners and there may be a fairly substantial
> cost associated depending on the volume of samples)
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> I have path profiles that show peak reflective are beign in a rough square
> mile to affected subs, so that may limit it. I might even be able to offset
> some cost by bringing marketing material to the farmers to get their fields
> sampled
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> but its alot of work, i dont know if is worth it, but im completely out of
> options and ideas,
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> one customer has had 11 different radios in 3 different locations across
> her property to three different POP locations spanning 5 or 6 different
> radio systems on 3 different bands on 6-7 mile LOS nLOS paths depending on
> POP
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