Scientist can be a liberal or conservative or white or black. I said one of those liberals not scientists.
> On Oct 20, 2017, at 14:53, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Not wanting to break lent, but the left is hell bent against science in many > areas. > GMOs, Vaccines, Beer Yeast, EMI == Cancer etc. > > The only generalization you can make that will hold is that people generally > only support/quote science that backs their own ideas/ideals. > > Lent is back on. > > From: Chris Wright > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:43 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > > No I'm not one of those weird liberals. > > What, like a scientist? > > Chris Wright > Network Administrator > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 10:47 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > Keep in mind weather is changing. No I'm not one of those weird liberals. But > here in Pennsylvania we've noticed a definite difference in the amount and > frequency of rain. > > On Oct 20, 2017, at 13:42, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > I'd use the NOAA page I linked to in my FB posts shared earlier in this > thread. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:40:17 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > The google... > > From: Mike Hammett > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:35 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > Where are you looking up your rainfall specs? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:33:43 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > I think both Julian Kemp and Daniel White both did rain presentations at > AnimalFarm in years past. Fascinating with the shape and size of the > raindrops, and the fact that some places have continual drizzle and some have > torrential sky floods but both will show the same amount of rainfall. > Certainly not as simple as looking up rainfall specs for a place. > > From: Harold Bledsoe > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 11:14 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > SEA is amazingly friendly. They get rain but not very intense. > > What makes it particularly challenging is that it is rain specifically across > the path of the link. So a 1km link that follows a typical squall line path > will be different than a 1km link that is perpendicular to the typical squall > line (partial path with rain vs. full path with rain). It's cool stuff like > this that makes it so much fun! :-) > > On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > Lesseee 365.25*24*60 = 525960 minutes. > .99999 uptime = = .00001 downtime > > Move the decimal 5 places = 5.296 minutes per year > 25.9 seconds per month. > > So should drop for a second a day or perhaps for half a minute a month or 7 > seconds a week etc etc. > Be interesting to see what folks in Seattle actually see. > > > From: Mike Hammett > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 5:36 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > ===== > that is good for five nines reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a > Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places that have higher > mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take direct 48VDC power, > singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management interfaces. > ===== > > IgniteNet does all of that too. > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:52:52 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's silly > USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff... > > Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier grade, > fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines reliability > at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in > places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that > take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated > management interfaces. > > "serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 GHz > links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider > themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter > wave when it is necessary or justified. > > I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of one > disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot glued > to a plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary. > > > > > On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > Well hell, that is almost TMI. I expected as such from this band. Sounds > like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would be > a contender. > From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > Let me back up. > > We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during > torrential down pours. > > Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. > > The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem > for me is the fail over does not happen properly. > > It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too > much out of it. > > On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > > How far is your shot? What channel are you using? > > Rory > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes > > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not > fail over seemleasly at all. > > There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it > sometimes flips. > > On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be > complaining. ;-) > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> > > > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff and > start complaining about it. Then we will have believable data. > > From: Mike Hammett > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf > > > > page 7 vs. page 15 > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: "Chris Wright" <ch...@velociter.net> > > > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more than > water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 > meters you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took offense to > your client. > > http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif > > Chris Wright > Network Administrator > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett > > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > This link would be just under 300 meters. Will I ever go down for rain? > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> > > > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > Is rain fade an issue? > > I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is > so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is > insignificant. > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and make > everyone order the decent ones. > > On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Chris Wright" <ch...@velociter.net> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with > them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets and > alignment scope. > > Chris Wright > Network Administrator > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option. > > Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? > > I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up. > > > > > > -- > Carl Peterson > PORT NETWORKS > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > Baltimore, MD 21202 > (410) 637-3707 > >
