I think you're reading this through glasses tinted to whatever predisposition you have to the issue.
"Don't bring peering policies into it, as that's a completely separate issue." That's what most people are pointing to as NN violations, though. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 2:07:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best NN Article I've Read > I don't see > where he's blaming transit providers for anything. See the paragraphs in the middle about Cogent. > The transit provider > was an example of a technical point that most of the public is unaware > of, but which complicates the discussion. It complicates the discussion because it unnecessary conflates two separate issues, last mile network neutrality and ASN interconnections. If you want to talk about network neutrality, talk about network neutrality. Don't bring peering policies into it, as that's a completely separate issue. > It's also an example of a way > the open internet order could be completely circumvented.....get your > transit provider to do your traffic shaping. They're not an ISP so they > don't count. That's still a better end result than having the last mile ISP messing with your packets. At least this way you know that if you manage to get your packets onto the ISP's network then they won't f*** with them. It's also quite unlikely that ISPs would collude with transit providers to have them do their traffic shaping. The incentives simply don't align. Far likelier is that the ISP would simply let their transits run hot to create congestion. Peering policies have their own problems, but that's a different kettle of fish. It's no secret that if network neutrality gets sorted out, some of the problems will move to interconnection issues. > Can you point out the straw man? Oh, there are so many. Here's a random selection: - people want more competition. Network neutrality doesn't bring about more competition, so don't demand network neutrality. - low value content will destroy the internet, don't demand network neutrality - all bits are equal is a dangerous idea, don't demand network neutrality - the Internet will cave in without SLAs on interconnects, don't demand network neutrality - two sided markets will magically solve everything. Ignore termination monopolies, significant market power and don't demand network neutrality - no ISP will ever do anything anti-competitive, that's a crazy idea, don't demand network neutrality - networks are expensive, thus network neutrality should not be imposed Jared
