Highly dependent on the noise floor at a particular site. All I can say is try it and see if it'll work out for you.

On 11/30/2017 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
George,

How much worse is the Omni setup? I have a couple sites that I could put an inverted Verticle under the H-pol already in place.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    In my opinion, it's not going to be worth it to do a complete
    upgrade from what you currently have on PMP100 to 450i. Are the
    customer's pretty evenly spread across all those APs? If there are
    a few APs that are a lot denser, it may make sense to upgrade
    those APs, but to me it's just not worth putting that kind of
    money into 900mhz at this point.

    When PMP450i 900mhz first came out, we it was working great for
    us... but now half our APs are nearly worthless because the noise
    floor has gone up so much in certain areas (I'm assuming smart
    grid, but I haven't actually verified that).

    On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:34 PM, George Skorup
    <george.sko...@cbcast.com <mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

        We've got about 10 450i 900 APs up now. We tried Baicells at
        most of those sites. I'm talking stupid dense trees. Made it
        two blocks in a small town and RSRP dropped off to -120. Plus
        that was back when you couldn't turn down the Tx power on the
        eNB. It was the full 1W per port, so we were still 4-5dB over
        the EIRP limit with a KP 14dBi sector and cable loss.

        We do have Baicells at other sites and we've seen roughly 85%
        success rate getting customers off of 900. So it does work,
        just not everywhere.

        Anyway.. a couple of those 900 450i sites have a dual H & V
        omni setup. It mostly works, but I do not recommend it. The
        typical omni problem, interference from everywhere.

        But like Steve said, once our power co turns up their grid, I
        fully expect 900 to be worthless. I guess we'll see.

        On 11/30/2017 11:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
        My worry is if I deploy it that 5-6 years down the road we
        will be in the same boat now of trying to find another
        solution to get the bandwidth to the customers because by
        then they will be all wanting faster than what the 900mhz can
        do just like the same problem we have now.

        On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Steve Jones
        <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
        <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

            if you are in the US, the "smart grid" is coming to help
            you by answering your questions for you



            On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
            <lists.wavel...@gmail.com
            <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

                So I have 2% of my customer base that is running
                900mhz PMP100 using 11 different access points. I am
                trying to cost justify weather it is feasible to
                upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of
                Omni's with the PMP100 so most likely I will need
                twice as many AP's as I currently have because they
                won't all be on the same side of the towers. So
                looking at costs I see the following:

                PMP450i AP's x 20 = $46,000
                900mhz sectors x 20 = $6,320
                PMP450 SM x 20 = $4,784
                SM antenna x 20 = $1,424

                equipment cost total = $58,528
                plus my time of putting it all up

                I am currently grossing $934.00/month from the 2% of
                customers running on the PMP100-900mhz now.

                At this rate it would take 5 years to break even on
                deploying the 450i-900mhz and I really can't offer
                any better speeds with it than what I was able to
                offer with the old FSK 2.4/5ghz stuff.

                Is it just me or does this not make sense worth
                deploying?







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