In conversations back in 2014, I noted this reference
"
Wiki Love Monuments 2012, the cost per photo used (not just photos
uploaded, but photos actually used on wiki projects) ranged from $0.51
USD to $26.51 USD, averaging $2.43 USD.
In our recent PEG grant impact analysis we found that across all 2013
Project and Event grants the cost per photo uploaded ranged from $0.88
USD- $1.44 USD.
"
Very interesting stuff to read here :
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:PEG_Impact_learning_series_-_2014_July.pdf
Then, for 2015, extremely interesting pages here :
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Evaluation/Evaluation_reports/2015
Every person being involved in a User Group should check that out. WMF
do stuff with the hard data we provide them ;)
Our budget this year is 30k
We expected 9k pictures (reasonable expectation as we got about 8k
pictures last year).
We currently have less than 880 (with not much time invested in cleaning
up copyvio for now. Probably around 10% from first sight).
Flo
Le 15/12/2016 à 19:36, Nkansah Rexford a écrit :
@Flo,
Your mention of "cost invested per picture collected" sounds
intriguing to me, and I'm on my way to read more on that. First time
hearing that.
WMF, just wow!
On Thursday, December 15, 2016, Florence Devouard <[email protected]
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Le 15/12/2016 à 16:51, Olatunde Isaac a écrit :
Hi Flo,
"I guess you have little idea how much time we spend organizing this contest to say that."
"I guess it may not matter to you so much that the ratio Dollars Spent /
Pictures Collected skyrocket."
I understand how you felt about the situation and I do sincerely share your
feelings but directing the above comment to me is ad hominem.
I hold you in high esteem and you know I am disappointed that you have
needlessly decided to make a personal remark about me.
Best,
Isaac
I apology if you felt offended Isaac. I am sorry of that. I'd like
to ask you to forgive me please. Sorry.
Yes, I feel really wronged today. Maybe you do understand in
truth. I am not sure everyone does though. Probably not. And that
is fine. I understand.
Perhaps a tiny bit of background on my last comment. When we
started the photo contest back in 2014, it took us quite a lot of
time and energy to get the funding. And after the first event was
done, we were given outcome ratios of "cost invested per picture
collected". And informed we were basically having the worst rating
of all photo contests so far. I understand WMF needs figures to
estimate if an event is worth investing in or not. And a cost per
picture is just one ratio amongst others that can help answer that
question. And yes, Wiki Loves Monuments ratio is clearly way above
ours. Many participants to WLM are old contributors, photograph
amators (or professionnals), when they get to a building, they
shoot it from every angle. Then, even though they select the best
pictures, that makes a fair amont of pictures in the end. And they
usually have little limitations of bandwidth to upload them. Our
users are not in the same situation for sure.
And the goal is just as much a goal of outreach and opportunity to
do things all together than it is a goal of getting pictures in
the bucket. Still, it is easier to "measure" the success of an
event based on the number of pictures and the cost/picture ratio.
So yeah, this is damage. Bad figures into Commons. Bad figures
when we report at the end of the contest. Bad figures to
communicate to outsiders and community afterwards.
This is also damage when we consider the outreach and visibility.
With a banner set up at "10 views of the banner maximum"...
well... at least indeed... there will be no user fatigue ;)
We are facing unique challenges than most wikipedians can not
begin to imagine.
Let me give you one example of the challenges we are facing that
any Europeans would GAP at.
We have not yet been able to send its event money to Zimbabwe.
WMF sent the money just fine. We started working on the money
transfer one month before the beginning of the contest. For most
countries, it worked fine and I guess they had time to organize.
In other countries, such as Algeria, we again had some issues to
get the money to the team because the bank was not accepting the
currency. In another, the bank itself provided an incorrect IBAN
(yeah). Oh well.
But we made it.
Not for Zimbabwe... Money sent is turned back... with 10 days
delays ... completely broken monetary system. We are waiting to
see what happen with the last attempt and if again rejected, we
will move into doing through Western Union. Hoping that it will
work. In Europe, a monetary transfer would take... a couple of
minutes to do and a couple of days to be credited at most. For
Zimbabwe... yuck. I do not envy them.
I think there are enough challenges, that we do not need
unexpected ones such as the site notice.
Flo
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