While It's ok to "vibe code" with these things with the understanding that
you're not getting much out of them beyond Wikipedia BS tailored to your
biases, in order to actually make progress you need run code that's been
written to test-as-spec.  As I've previously pointed out, even then they'll
try to get away with shit by constructing "tests" that report they pass
without testing anything, but the thing is that's so easy to catch that
it's kind of cute of them to try.

On Sat, Nov 8, 2025 at 11:52 AM John Rose via AGI <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On Saturday, November 08, 2025, at 11:10 AM, James Bowery wrote:
>
> Pareto frontiers don't provide a principled loss function.  You have to
> somehow bite the bullet and bring the complexity measures into the same
> units and add them.
>
>
> That structure wasn’t the structure I was intending but it’s interesting
> that ChatGPT was able to spit it out. I'm not sure if I agree with “AGI is
> the fixed point of self-evaluated self-rewrite.“ or “AGI is what remains
> when improvement can no longer beat itself.“. I think of AGI as being a
> dynamic continuously evolving structure integrating many Pareto frontiers.
> Also ChatGPT’s generated source code is good for examples but… I’ve tried
> taking it’s sample code and Vibing with it but it’s still tedious and too
> much try and fail manual intervention is required.
>
> What would be nice is a cad-like interface to build the category theory
> and math and then some functions for source code generation. I’m sure
> that's coming or already exists somewhere.
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