Algorithmic information or compression is great for evaluating language models but not for everything. It doesn't even work for other types of AI like vision because uncompressable noise overwhelms the 10 bit per second signal. I did apply for NSF funding for a text compression contest around 2000 while working on my dissertation, but it was rejected like 90% of proposals, so I changed my Ph.D. topic and later created a benchmark with no prize money that later became the Hutter prize.
I could try compressing world population data by fitting it to a polynomial, which works in the short term but doesn't tell me anything about when it will go to 0 like all species eventually do. Grok and DeepSeek both say population will peak at 10.3 or 10.4 billion in the mid 2080's, citing UN projections. I think it will happen sooner as AI leads to social isolation, speeding up the drop in fertility rate. I'm not sure what data I could compress to answer the question. On space travel: there is no reason to send humans into space except tourism. We sent humans to the moon in 1969 because we didn't have the technology to send robots. -- Matt Mahoney, [email protected] On Wed, Nov 19, 2025, 9:13 AM James Bowery <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2025 at 10:11 PM Matt Mahoney <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> The book argues that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. >> > > Macrosocial psychological dynamics sells. > > But it's all bullshit due, I'm afraid to say, Matt, because people like > you don't understand the importance of the algorithmic information > criterion for model selection at these scales. In fact, you are, in > particular, in a position to do something about this but you are too > committed to your position to avoid motivated reasoning. > > The global scale of these dynamics makes what is at stake in getting these > models right in the trillions of dollars a year and that means the stakes > in motivated reasoning for getting them WRONG due to rent seeking is > likewise astronomical. > > The NSF should be dispensing money in proportion to the improvements of > lossless compression of a wide range of longitudinal measures. > > This is an idea quite related to your leadership regarding compression of > text compression which IIRC, you thought the NSF should be financing. > > This may, in your mind, be excusable because you are so certain of your > world model that it is really quite pointless to consider alternative > dynamics that may entail emergent chaos. > > ... >> >> The facts about immigration.... >> > > Are very sparse if you actually go looking for data panels. This is one > of the reasons I've spent the majority of my time over the last several > months working through the information geometric treatment of what data is > available so as to impute the 90+% missing from the laboratory of the > counties data panel. > > This is a radically different approach to data compression of that sparse > dataset to what you've tried which amounts to statistical text compression > of numeric data. It attempts to get to the root dynamics of development > and then back that out from the manifold to the original data including > precision measures based on the MDL of the residuals and parameters of the > model. > > This works as an algorithmic information criterion because the ultimate > model is not merely information geometric but information geometrodynamical. > > This is not an existential crisis. It's evolution. > > As though rudderless "evolution" as you call it, can't get into > catastrophic attractors... As though human agency has no part in > "evolution". > > Look, maybe it's because I actually had some small success at modifying > the zeitgeist regarding space launch commercialization early on in the > present breakout into space solar powered machine learning, but I don't > take lightly your tendency to abjure your unique responsibility as a human > with agency simply because you are comfortable with "the way things are". > > As Charlie Munger was fond of pointing out: > > "show me the incentive and I'll show you the outcome" > > Necessity and Incentives Opening the Space Frontier: Testimony before the > House Subcommittee on Space > Necessity and Incentives > Opening the Space Frontier > > Testimony before the House Subcommittee on Space > by James Bowery, Chairman > Coalition for Science and Commerce > July 31, 1991 > > > Mr. Chairman and Distinguished Members of the Subcommittee: > > I am James Bowery, Chairman of the Coalition for Science and Commerce. We > greatly appreciate the opportunity to address the subcommittee on the > critical and historic topic of commercial incentives to open the space > frontier. > > The Coalition for Science and Commerce is a grassroots network of citizen > activists supporting greater public funding for diversified scientific > research and greater private funding for proprietary technology and > services. We believe these are mutually reinforcing policies which have > been violated to the detriment of civilization. We believe in the > constitutional provision of patents of invention and that the principles of > free enterprise pertain to intellectual property. We therefore see > technology development as a private sector responsibility. We also > recognize that scientific knowledge is our common heritage and is therefore > a proper function of government. We oppose government programs that remove > procurement authority from scientists, supposedly in service of them. > Rather we support the inclusion, on a per-grant basis, of all funding > needed to purchase the use of needed goods and services, thereby creating a > scientist-driven market for commercial high technology and services. We > also oppose government subsidy of technology development. Rather we support > legislation and policies that motivate the intelligent investment of > private risk capital in the creation of commercially viable intellectual > property. > > In 1990, after a 3 year effort with Congressman Ron Packard (CA) and a > bipartisan team of Congressional leaders, we succeeded in passing the > Launch Services Purchase Act of 1990, a law which requires NASA to procure > launch services in a commercially reasonable manner from the private > sector. The lobbying effort for this legislation came totally from > taxpaying citizens acting in their home districts without a direct > financial stake -- the kind of political action intended by our country's > founders, but now rarely seen in America. > > We ask citizens who work with us for the most valuable thing they can > contribute: The voluntary and targeted investment of time, energy and > resources in specific issues and positions which they support as taxpaying > citizens of the United States. There is no collective action, no slush-fund > and no bureaucracy within the Coalition: Only citizens encouraging each > other to make the necessary sacrifices to participate in the political > process, which is their birthright and duty as Americans. We are working to > give interested taxpayers a voice that can be heard above the din of > lobbyists who seek ever increasing government funding for their clients. > > > Introduction > > Americans need a frontier, not a program. > > Incentives open frontiers, not plans. > > If this Subcommittee hears no other message through the barrage of > studies, projections and policy recommendations, it must hear this message. > A reformed space policy focused on opening the space frontier through > commercial incentives will make all the difference to our future as a > world, a nation and as individuals. > > > Americans Need a Frontier > > When Neil Armstrong stepped foot on the moon, we won the "space race" > against the Soviets and entered two decades of diminished expectations. > > The Apollo program elicited something deep within Americans. Something > almost primal. Apollo was President Kennedy's "New Frontier." But when > Americans found it was terminated as nothing more than a Cold War contest, > we felt betrayed in ways we are still unable to articulate -- betrayed > right down to our pioneering souls. The result is that Americans will never > again truly believe in government space programs and plans. > > Without a frontier, for the past two decades, Americans have operated > under the inevitable conclusion that land, raw materials and wealth itself > are fundamentally limited and therefore to be hoarded and controlled -- > rather than created. Out of this post-Apollo mentality, a deeply rooted > cynicism has led young people into careers as lawyers and financial > manipulators rather than farmers, inventors and engineers. It has led to an > environmental movement which loathes humanity's natural capacity to > transform hostile environments with technology. It has led to cartels, wars > over energy and a devastatingly expensive arms race. It has led businesses > and investors to remain averse to high risk technology development even as > they issue billions in high risk debt vehicles for corporate take-overs. It > has led to a preference for real estate speculation over job creating > investments, making it nearly impossible for most of those born in the > mid-to-late baby boom of the 1950s to establish stable careers, homesteads > and equity for retirement, even with two incomes. > > In short, the lack of a frontier is leading us away from the progressive > values of the Age of Enlightenment, upon which our country was founded, and > back to the stagnant feudalistic values of the middle ages. We look to the > Japanese for cultural leadership. We forget the rule of law and submit to > the rule of bureaucracy, both corporate and governmental; for in a world > without frontiers, the future belongs to the bureaucrat, not the pioneer. > > No where is this failure of vision more apparent than in our space program > where the laws of human nature and politics have overcome the laws of > nature and the space frontier as in "Take off your engineering hat and put > on your management hat." > > First Apollo failed us. Then the shuttle raised and dashed our hopes by > failing to provide easy access to space. We now look forward to the > proposed space station as the last vestige of a dying dream written of by > Werner Von Braun in Collier's magazine during the 1950's, even as its costs > skyrocket and its capabilities dwindle into a symbolic gesture of lost > greatness. > > The pioneering of frontiers is antithetical to bureaucracy and politics. > The greatest incentive for opening frontiers is to escape from calcifying > institutions. We betray our deepest values when we give ownership of our > only frontier to such institutions. > > Therefore, these hearings on incentives to open the space frontier are > among the most hopeful events in recent history. Those responsible for > holding these hearings and acting to create pioneering incentives to > finally open the space frontier, are to be commended for their insight, > courage and leadership. They are earning for themselves and our entire > civilization a place of honor in history. > > > Incentives Open Frontiers > > Over the past few years the Coalition has worked with Congressman Ron > Packard and a broad spectrum of other Congressional leaders to introduce > and pass a bill providing the most significant incentive for opening the > space frontier to date: The Launch Services Purchase Act of 1990. Similar > to the Kelly Act of 1925, which created incentives for pioneering aviation, > the LSPA seeks to synthesize a commercially reasonable market from existing > government demand for launch services. Lowering the cost of access to space > through incentives for commercial competition is the most important goal in > our space policy because launch costs dominate all others. > > Although extensively amended from its original language, the LSPA remains > a symbol of pioneering spirit, democracy in action and American values in > the one place it counts the most: The Space Frontier. > > Congressman Bob Walker's Omnibus Space Commercialization Act of 1991 > contains two important provisions which will expand and empower the > incentives of the LSPA. The first provision is the return of language in > the LSPA to cover the Department of Defense as well as NASA, and to cover > all space transportation, not just orbital launch. The second is the > substantial funding authorization for launch and payload integration > service vouchers under the Department of Transportation. The independence > of the Department of Transportation's Office of Commercial Space > Transportation creates exactly the kind of checks needed to avoid conflicts > of interest. Private investors can trust their capital with such carefully > constructed incentives. > > Another important provision of the Omnibus Space Commercialization Act is > the encouragement of many Federal agencies to participate in space > activities. Such variety of funding sources further inhibits the > politicization of space by replacing political competition for centralized > programmatic control with incentives for performance in technical and > commercial competition. > > These incentives are helping to open the space frontier because they > discriminate on the basis of actual achievement rather than political savvy > and psychological appeal. By acting as a market instead of a monopsony or > as a source of capital, government funding ceases to control or compete > with the initiatives of our citizenry. Instead government rewards viable > citizen initiatives with the profits needed to further capitalize space > services, while punishing failed management and technology with bankruptcy; > conditions virtually impossible to replicate within the space paradigm of > the past. > > Profit and bankruptcy are as essential to technical progress as mutation > and selection are to biological evolution. They are the "invisible hand" > that guide private investors to create viable solutions to our needs. Just > as mutation and selection led life from water onto dry land, so profit and > bankruptcy will remove the earthly limits on life and open to life the > limitless ecological range of space. > > Distribution of funding in peer-reviewed grants to scientists which > patronize commercially competitive companies not only utilizes market > forces to optimize infrastructure design and operations, but it also > spreads space dollars out to all Congressional districts without multi-year > authorizations, technical prejudice or political gamesmanship. This > apolitical cashflow creates commercial incentives and it builds solid > justifications for the use of our space dollars with a hard-core > nation-wide constituency. > > But robust justifications and hard-core political constituency pale in > significance when compared the explosive energy of Americans challenged by > the incentives and freedoms of a frontier. > > Americans can best be challenged by the following policy measures: > > Distribute space funding to multiple independent agencies for the funding > of unsolicited scientific proposals. > Require that the experiments be designed to fly on existing commercial > services. > Expose the proposals to review by a patent examiner to ensure the work is > genuine science, as defined under intellectual property laws, and therefore > not in competition with private sector technology development. > Require that the principle investigator make the primary procurement > decisions free from Federal Acquisition Regulations. > Minimize abuses and avoid multiyear authorization by keeping grants > relatively small. > As commercial companies establish space operations, support their property > rights. > > > Comprehensive legislative language drafted for discussion by Dr. Andrew > Cutler details many of the Coalition's ideas on procurement, property > rights and transitional policies. This legislative language is available on > request. > > Stated simply: > > Fly lots of scientific missions using commercial services. Base them on > fresh ideas. Let unfashionable ideas find funding. Decentralize procurement > decisions. Avoid competition with the private sector by focusing on > research rather than development. Enforce new property rights in space as > they are defined. > > Give Americans a challenge and trust them to react with the > resourcefulness and courage of our ancestors who risked everything to cross > the oceans to settle a hostile continent. We won't disappoint you. > > > Conclusion > > The space frontier is a hostile environment with unlimited potential that > demands our best. We can meet such a challenge only with the strength of > our traditional American values -- values uniquely adapted to opening > frontiers. > > This Subcommittee is in a position of great privilege. The next millennium > could witness the restoration of Earth's environment and the transformation > of space into an new kind of ecological range, virtually limitless in its > extent and diversity. 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