Would it only be costs and benefits or would we include a full fledged opportunity "object" with whatever traits that may entail? And does this notion differ fom Serendipity? Erik T Mueller had a serendipity component/routine in his Daydreamer system, which recognized when goals were serendipitously attained.
~PM > Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:56:50 -0600 > From: senil...@ghvalley.net > To: a...@listbox.com > CC: piagetmode...@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [agi] Attention > > PM > > A few months ago I mentioned to Jim Bromer that I would build the > intelligence around the idea of opportunity. This fits directly with > the idea of goals, in a somewhat obscure way. > > If you look at your candidates list below, you see part of what makes up > an opportunity. It leaves out important factors that go into choosing > which opportunity is "greatest" for the moment. > > These additional factors get complicated. For example - > - how reliable are the claims of this opportunity? If we pursue this > opportunity, can we be somewhat certain we will complete the steps > needed to consummate and yield the benefit? > > - what is the opportunity and how does it compare to other opportunity. > In other words, there needs to be a vocabulary of benefit and cost > that goes with consideration of any opportunity. Here is where the real > world is complex. We venture and discover many benefits that we didn't > expect. And we encounter costs that exceed our expectations. Will > there be shortages we didn't anticipate... > > - where did this opportunity come from? If we want to evaluate > opportunity, we also need to consider the source. Is this simply an > idea that we cooked up according to simple logic? Is this an idea that > comes highly recommended from a reliable source - a master chef. > > I understand that the ideas listed above seem off-base from looking at > goals, but the real world "intelligent" doesn't work via figuring > everything out. It works from suggestion and observation of what works > and how it worked out. The intelligence that we want to embody will one > day need to be able to choose between opportunity rather than simply > follow "sub-goals" that make up a recipe. > > To get this intelligence going, build the database of opportunity. > > Stan > > (sorry if I missed a relevant prior post, I'm way behind in list reading > - busy time of year... yade yada .) > > > > > On 06/11/2012 06:31 PM, Piaget Modeler wrote: > > Abram, you've characterized it properly. In my vernacular subgoals = goals. > > > > > > I would say that the job of this particular attention module is to > > reprioritize the open goal set, > > given all available information. > > > > So the question for me is what should all available information consist of? > > > > Some candidates are: (1) The current context, for sure, (2) alerts, (3) > > expectation failures and mismatches, > > (4) past prioritizations, (5) past episodes. > > > > Anything else? > > > > Your thoughts? > > > > > > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:11:58 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [agi] Attention > > From: abramdem...@gmail.com > > To: a...@listbox.com > > > > PM, > > > > OK. So, in this case, the goal selector is clearly selecting subgoals to > > prioritize. > > > > It's a difficult question which needs a quickly computable answer, so > > the system needs to somehow gather information over time which tells it > > what subgoals have been most useful in the past, in what situations. > > This process can use a wide variety of information; essentially > > anything. However, to make an efficient choice, the information > > considered at any particular time needs to be narrowed down somehow. The > > space of possible sub-goals is also potentially difficult, and needs to > > be narrowed down heuristically... > > > > Perhaps the best that I can say at the moment is, this seems like the > > sort of problem which requires empirical testing to see what works and > > what doesn't! > > > > --Abram > > > > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Piaget Modeler > > <piagetmode...@hotmail.com <mailto:piagetmode...@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Ben > > > > Yours is a sufficient response. Thank you. > > > > Abram > > > > Suppose we decompose a cognitive system down into a few components: > > > > 1. A planner (which is fed a goal, a current state and a set of > > possible actions (i.e., operators, methods, cases, etc.)), > > 2. An action selector (which is fed the current state, a prioritized > > set of goals, and a set of methods to choose from), > > 3. A goal selector / Attention module whose job is to prioritize or > > select goals for the cognitive system. > > > > My question was what would you feed the goal selector to ensure it > > did its job (prioritizing goals) properly? > > > > In a paper I read recently "A Case Study of Goal-Driven Autonomy in > > Domination Games" by Hector Munoz-Avila and David W. Aha > > the authors, in their CB-gda system, decompose the cognitive system > > into two case-based components (a) a planning component, > > and (b) a mismatch goal [selection] component. The purpose of the > > latter component was to correct for errors encountered by the > > planner. The input for the mismatch goal selection component is a > > mismatch (the difference between the expected state and the > > goal state). > > > > Q: What else would be relevant input for a goal selector / Attention > > component? > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:49:15 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [agi] Attention > > From: b...@goertzel.org <mailto:b...@goertzel.org> > > To: a...@listbox.com <mailto:a...@listbox.com> > > > > > > > > In the OpenCog framework, we supply some hard-coded "top level > > goals", and then the system learns how to achieve these, which may > > include learning subgoals... > > > > The top level goals are generally of the form "keep so-and-such > > parameter within range [L,R]" > > > > Experience of novelty and discovery of new things are good general > > top-level goals. For an character in a virtual 3D environment, we > > add in stuff like getting energy (e.g. from batteries or food), > > staying safe, and partaking in social interaction.... > > > > In reference to this sort of framework, I'm unsure if you're talking > > about top-level goals or learned subgoals... > > > > -- Ben G > > > > > > > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/7190161-766c6f07> | > > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > > [Powered by Listbox] <http://www.listbox.com> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Abram Demski > > http://lo-tho.blogspot.com/ > > > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-5cfde295> | > > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription [Powered > > by Listbox] <http://www.listbox.com> > > > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/9320387-ea529a81> | > > Modify > > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > > Your Subscription [Powered by Listbox] <http://www.listbox.com> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-5cfde295 > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
