"Amazing what philosophy did for you. Fortunately the Yudkowskian notion of
"picking a mind out of the mind-space" is utterly flawed ... otherwise I'd
also be afraid to pick a mind like yours."

All these efforts for increased power and freedom demand change: we must
change in order to overcome ourselves. Since you're not s seeker of power,
you stay the same and don't learn anything. This is WHY I'm 20x smarter
than you and lead the world into a new era of peace, love, and prosperity
:)


On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Azn A <[email protected]> wrote:

> "If philosophy improves your thinking, Azn, then you obviously have not
> read enough of it.  Being rude, nasty and insulting in exchange for earnest
> effort to understand is not the mark of an improved mind."
>
> The conception of the overman is based on an ideal of total freedom:
> nothing constrains or controls the overman but himself, so he is the
> creator of his entire universe. Here is what Torvalds, the creator and
> overlord of Linux told a developer on his mailing list:
>
> "Mauro, SHUT THE F--- UP! ... Shut up, Mauro. And I don't _ever_ want to
> hear that kind of obvious garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer
> again. Seriously. ... Fix your f---ing "compliance tool", because it is
> obviously broken. And fix your approach to kernel programming."
>
> Read more:
> http://www.businessinsider.com/geekess-calls-linus-torvalds-out-for-rants-2013-7
>
> He called Sharp's call for civility "Bullshit."
>
> Bullshit.
>
> The thing is, the "victim card" is exactly about trying to enforce
> your particular expectations on others, and trying to do so in a very
> particular way. It's the old "think of the children" argument.  And
> it's bogus.  Calling things "professional" is just more of the same -
> trying to enforce some kind of convention on others by trying to claim
> that it's the only acceptable way.
>
>   [ Since you seem to want to keep this in public, I'll just
> cut-and-paste from my reply, so you have already seen this part of my
> argument, it's only slightly edited because now I'm no longer typing
> on my cellphone ]
>
> The thing is, different people act and react differently. On both
> sides. And I think we should recognize that and also *allow* for that.
> And sometimes it means, for example, that people interact primarily
> with certain people that they like more - because they are a better
> "fit".
>
> I think we actually do it very naturally, simply because we are human,
> and this is how people interact in real life too. Sometimes we do it
> consciously - the way we have people at various companies that act as
> go-betweens - but most of the time we do it just because humans are
> all about social interactions and we don't even think about what we do
> and why.
>
> For example, you work mostly through Greg. I don't think either of you
> *planned* it that way, but it's likely because you guys work well
> together.
>
> See what I'm saying? People are different. I'm not polite, and I get
> upset easily but generally don't hold a grudge - I have these
> explosive emails. And that works well for some people. And it probably
> doesn't work well with you.
>
> And you know what? That's fine. Not everybody had to get along or work
> well with each other. But the fact that it doesn't work with you
> doesn't make it "wrong".
>
> This isn't all that different from working around language issues etc
> by having certain people work as in-betweens on that front.
>
> And where we differ is in thinking either side has to necessarily
> change. You think people need to act "nicer". While I think it's
> *natural* that people have different behavior - and different
> expectations. We all have issues somewhere and don't all like each
> other. There are certain people I refuse to work with, for example.
> They may be good engineers, but they just aren't people I can work
> with.
>
> And hey, I don't actually think we've personally even had any
> problems. And I realize that you may react very strongly and get
> nervous about us having problems, but realistically, do you actually
> expect to like all the other kernel engineers?
>
> And equally importantly, not everybody has to like you, or necessarily
> think they have to be liked by you. OK?
>
> So as far as I'm concerned, the discussion is about "how to work
> together DESPITE people being different". Not about trying to make
> everybody please each other. Because I can pretty much guarantee that
> I'll continue cursing. To me, the discussion would be about how to
> work together despite these kinds of cultural differences, not about
> "how do we make everybody nice and sing songs sound the campfire"
>
> Do you think you might be interested in *that* kind of discussion
> instead of the "you are abusing me" kind of discussion?
>
> Because if you want me to "act professional", I can tell you that I'm
> not interested. I'm sitting in my home office wearign a bathrobe. The
> same way I'm not going to start wearing ties, I'm *also* not going to
> buy into the fake politeness, the lying, the office politics and
> backstabbing, the passive aggressiveness, and the buzzwords. Because
> THAT is what "acting professionally" results in: people resort to all
> kinds of really nasty things because they are forced to act out their
> normal urges in unnatural ways.
>
>                Linus
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 8:01 PM, just camel <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> ... said the libertarian responsible for structural violence to the
>> megalomaniac responsible for verbal violence. ;-) Maybe one of the first
>> things an AGI system will do is to create personalized experiences for
>> everybody to improve their thinking/consciousness? But then again the
>> fearful/ignorant will probably interpret those experiences in
>> non-productive ways just like they do today? The crux of free will ...
>>
>>
>> On 04/06/2014 11:48 PM, Samantha Atkins wrote:
>>
>>> If philosophy improves your thinking, Azn, then you obviously have not
>>> read enough of it.
>>>
>>
>>
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