On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 09:45:27AM +0100, Calum Chace wrote:
> Riiight.  Doesn't sound like you were reading with a very open mind.

I did what was asked, reviewed the parts that related to AI/AGI,
I'm sorry if the summary come off as negative.

>  "Re-hash" is a pretty negative term, but can you point to a single work of
> literature that doesn't use pre-existing ideas?

It's completely okay to use preexisting ideas.
I'm a big supporter of libreware.

> So you want a book in which all the AI researchers are wonderful human
> beings,
> the UN is a wholly benign and competent organisation, and there are
> no risks involved in AGI development?  

I don't think sweeping generalizations are healthy for any depiction.
There certainly has to be variability in the characters and
organizations portrayed. Every entity must have some strengths and
weaknesses. 

AGI researchers major weaknesses are generally overconfidence, and
tendency to dwell on details, as is common with most male-brains.
not sure of the strengths as there isn't a working AGI yet,
though of relatively successful ones like Ben, I'd say collaboration
is the greatest strength.

> Good luck in finding someone who is
> willing and able to write that without it being deathly boring, and coming
> across as a blatant piece of propaganda.  Surely you are aware that stories
> require jeopardy, and a protagonist who goes on a journey which involves
> danger, setbacks and resolution?

sure, yes, I'm entirely aware of that. there is plenty of jeapordy
and setbacks that can be faced, which leads people to empathize with 
an AGI protagonist.

For instance an AGI protagonist in an autonomous robot-body can be 
faced with racism, not only from other humans, but from other robots
which may be of a different type perhaps.  setbacks can include not
being able to acquire parts necessary for life, leading to a sad
impaired functioning state, which only leads to more negativity as
they are seed as defective.  resolution could be in that they find a
community which makes spare parts, and can accept them for the
contribution they bring, rather than their shape of body or mind.

> Look, I understand that you might feel embattled as a community.
> Personally I think it is going to get worse before it gets better.  I am
> excited about the exponential changes that will unfold in the rest of my
> life, as I've enjoyed the ones that have unfolded in the 55 years I've seen
> so far.  I think we need new stories to convey that, but Polyanna won't
> play.

awww, I looked up Polyanna, that is a beautiful book. I too follow the
"silver lining" philosophy. 
well, I guess the silver lining here, is that you wrote a book about
AGI, and were kind enough to tell us about it on the mailing list,
even shared a copy, for which I am very grateful, thank you :-D.

> 
> However, it seems I'm out of synch.  I'll get my coat...
> 
going out for some field work?

from Logan ya


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