Not bad guys, but next question time. It's either a really stupid question or a legit next step in terms of quantum biophysics. What are the Feynman diagrams of these EM fields when they are generated and interact? Come on. Show me something.
-GJS On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 4:03 AM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies < [email protected]> wrote: > Steve, here's some input. > > Colin stated: > "Because it's not using neurons it won't automatically mimic brains in > structure. I have no idea what a brain will look like. Physically its a > crystalline rock. No actual material growth." > > I think Colin is building a generic platform for generative, emergent > intelligence, aka a system of systems. > > I agree with his approach to rather soft code than hard code future > generations of AI. I also agree with his non-human matter (non cyborg) > approach. > > Colin, if we could agree on my research objectives, which may differ > slightly from yours, I'd be happy to assist you. > > I think I have the generative algorithmic design you are looking for, but > it is not fully-matured yet. It would unify rather easily with your > approach. > > It probably is useful as it is, but I have lots more maturation work to do > on it and no "manual" has been written. You'll have to put up with me for a > while as it is not as self explanatory as one might imagine. The science is > solid though and would probably withstand an external, critical review. > Some parts of it already has. > > Rob > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 01:07:18 -0700 > Subject: [agi] Restating Colin's Hypothesis > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > Colin, > > I'm going to take a shot at restating your hypothesis in a more > physics-tractable form. The remainder of this posting are what I think you > are trying to say: > > Colin in effect says that the computational unit is NOT the synapse, but > rather is the ion channel. These are MUCH more numerous than synapses. > While the voltages seen in extracellular recordings are quite low, the > field GRADIENT near an active ion channel is HIGH - enough to have major > effects on nearby/contacting structures. Brains are a lot like a bowl of > spaghetti, and every place the "noodles" touch becomes a point of high > field interaction. We don't yet know what those interactions do, but we DO > know that there are a lot of synapses that interconnect contacting neurons, > so at minimum such points of contact are probably capable of spawning > synapses, if the "data" indicates a synapse would be useful. > > Then there is the far-field effects from neurons that are near but NOT in > contact. The activity (or lack thereof) should be an important parameter to > use in development, because it is an indicator of just how successful > learning has been throughout the entire system. Where learning has been > UNsuccessful, neurons should probably be more plastic in their > functionality. > > Ion channels are capable of fairly complex computation, including memory > (from ion accumulation and physical alterations), nonlinearities, etc. It > has previously been presumed that ion channels are just "pumps" that keep > neurons doing what neurons do, but the prospect for ion channel computation > can NOT be ignored. > > When a neuron becomes active, its many ion channels radiates complex > patterns of field-gradients, which could affect the operation of other > nearby neurons, especially if the ion channels in the other neuron were to > align themselves with a radiating neuron. > > While I now grok the importance of field gradients generated by ion > channels, I still don't see how/why this should affect consciousness any > more than it affects the many other functions of a neural systems. I am not > yet even convinced that consciousness exists - except in our minds as a > simplistic model for whatever happens behind our eyeballs. How do you link > consciousness (over other neural functions) with EM fields? > > C'mon; help me put Colin's hypothesis into a solid physics form. > > Steve > > > > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/26941503-0abb15dc> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/27055757-c218d4f9> | > Modify > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
