Regarding Simon's note that "it is my belief that our understanding of religion is actually an understanding of its iterations that rise from humanity as it medium." I have to say, I think that is actually pretty well put from the scientific perspective being embraced in cognitive science more generally. The following may be more academic and research based than faith based, I think those interested in this sort of AI/Religion/Faith cross overs may be interested in the following: https://www.ibcsr.org/index.php/institute-research-portals/mrp https://www.academia.edu/6487802/Method_Theory_and_Multi_Agent_Artificial_Intelligence_Creating_computer_models_of_complex_social_interaction
All the best! On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:35 PM, simon <simonb...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I just joined the subscription list and I am not sure if I am allowed, or > expected to participate in the conversations. > > If there are any link toward such rules and someone could point me out it > will be appreciated. > > However I can't help myself and I am tempted to add my two cents on such a > fascinating subject. > > It is my humble opinion that there are too many anthropological reasons > that explains faith to draw confident conclusions about an AGI view on such > things. > > It comes to mind that religion answers existentialism questions, offers a > perspective of eternal life, draws strenght and is reinforced by it ability > to be used as a tool by some to control others which will promote it, is > also reinforced through rituals and become part of a social identity and > our natural tendencies to defend our cultural values and to see them as > superior and worthy to be defended and even enforced, and more... Because > of this, it is my belief that our understanding of religion is actually an > understanding of its iterations that rise from humanity as it medium. > > If such a medium were to be an AGI, the iterations of faith and religions > it would give rise to would be as proportionnaly alien to ours than the AGI > is from us. > > Hoping my first contribution is on par with what you have been doing so > far. > > A great day to all. > > > Simon > > > Subject: Re: [agi] Machine faith > > To: a...@listbox.com > > From: justca...@gmail.com > > Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 08:45:09 +0200 > > > > It has little to do with belief. Once you understand how consciousness > > functions you just have faith or rather patience while developing > > it/meditating. > > > > Jesus used analogies to explains that a trained consciousness is capable > > of transcending the physical and entering the "kingdom of heaven" ... > > which is just an analogy for a state of consciousness which is no longer > > engaging in the illusion of form. If Jesus lived today he would use very > > different analogies. He'd probably talk a lot about computer games and > > how your consciousness can detach from them. > > > > If you play a computer game and become bored of virtual status, gold > > coins and game mechanics you are more likely to stop playing. Getting > > bored of the virtual computer world is what all religions are about: > > overcoming attachments, not clinging to material possessions, not caring > > for fame and status. Renouncement is a way of transcending the clinging > > but there are other ways. One way to obtain spiritual enlightenment > > (which is basically what Jesus preached ) is through a profound > > intellectual understanding of reality. If you really understand how > > idiotic attachments to virtual form is then you don't need to life an > > ascetic life ... you will get bored of wealth, possessions, etc. anyway. > > > > As said ... it has little to do with belief. It's pretty logical if you > > ask me. The problem is that most people don't actually care about what > > Jesus really said/meant and what religion (in its core) is about. It's > > not hard to understand any of this ... especially not for an AGI ... > > > > Kind regards, > > > > -- jc > > > > On 06.10.2015 02:44, Stanley Nilsen wrote: > > > Jesus said Faith is like a grain of mustard seed - a very small seed. > > > The faith grows. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > AGI > > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > > RSS Feed: > https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/27714077-224a20ec > > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/27682064-ed43a290> | > Modify > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Justin E. Lane Institute for the Bio-Cultural Study of Religion Modeling Religion Project Journal of Cognition and Culture Assistant Editor Journal of Cognitive Historiography Editorial Assistant ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
