On 12/14/15, Ben Kapp <[email protected]> wrote: > No, their argument for open AI leading to positive AI is as follows in > their own words. > > > "If I’m Dr. Evil and I use it, won’t you be empowering me? > Musk: I think that’s an excellent question and it’s something that we > debated quite a bit. > Altman: There are a few different thoughts about this. Just like humans > protect against Dr. Evil by the fact that most humans are good, and the > collective force of humanity can contain the bad elements, we think its far > more likely that *many, many AIs, will work to stop the occasional bad > actors* than the idea that there is a single AI a billion times more > powerful than anything else. If that one thing goes off the rails or if Dr. > Evil gets that one thing and there is nothing to counteract it, then we’re > really in a bad place." > https://medium.com/backchannel/how-elon-musk-and-y-combinator-plan-to-stop-computers-from-taking-over-17e0e27dd02a#.aojim3ery > > > Their rationale for making this openly available, is the belief that doing > so would result in many AGI's which would compete with each other and in > this way provide protection from one single super intelligence from taking > over.
Well, if the argument is that by virtue of having more "good" AIs than "bad" AIs and the occasional Dr Evil, whether you happen to have a great many AIs running closed source and other open source, I don't see the difference. Are you saying that just making it open source will result in more AIs out there? > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:34 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Regarding AI Safety: >> >> The argument appears to be that open source means the public can >> examine the AI's source code in advance for potential dangerous >> behavior, I think. I haven't read the expanded argument Ben links to. >> >> It seems intuitively to me that if the AI is truly autonomous, >> learning and thinking on its own, creating new thought structures >> dynamically, etc etc, it would go far beyond what happened to be in >> its source code to start off with, so I'm not sure how much of an >> advantage is to be gained just by virtue of the code being public in >> terms of safety alone. There would be an advantage, no doubt, but >> remember we are talking about AI which is essentially less defined and >> coded in advance that our more typical applications which are open >> sourced. >> >> >> Mike A >> >> On 12/13/15, colin hales <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Prediction: Without a significant overhaul of their strategy, that >> $Billion >> > will create another stratum in the 65+ years of layers of narrow-AI. >> Deeper >> > into the niches. Useful.... But ... >> > >> > Deep automation (their 'digital intelligence') is not AGI. >> > >> > How many years more before the 65 year old, many-$Billion experiment >> (that >> > AGI involves computers) is found suspect enough to spend, say, $11.37 >> > on >> the >> > obvious alternative? >> > >> > End of year gripe. Am about to turn 60. My curmudgeon index is >> > redlining. >> > >> > :) >> > Colin >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: "Ben Goertzel" <[email protected]> >> > Sent: 14/12/2015 2:21 PM >> > To: "AGI" <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [agi] Elon Musk Helps Launch OpenAI, Non-Profit Dedicated >> > toArtificial Intelligence - Funding: 1 billion USD >> > >> > >> > >> > My first thoughts on OpenAi are here: >> > >> > >> > http://wp.goertzel.org/openai-quick-thoughts/ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 9:49 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > http://futurism.com/links/19499/ >> > >> > AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Ben Goertzel, PhD >> > http://goertzel.org >> > >> > "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one >> > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all >> > progress >> > depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw >> > >> > AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------- >> > AGI >> > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> > RSS Feed: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae >> > Modify Your Subscription: >> > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/26973278-698fd9ee >> Modify Your Subscription: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
