Dear Jim,

I agree with your point that deep learning machines cannot think outside the box.

However, there may be already some conceptual progress in this respect. I have recently made a proposal how to make machines that think more in a biological-like manner: The suggestion is that the machines do not store their knowledge in synapses or by similar means but instead, in a set of specialized learning rules. That way, when machines think, they literally must think outside the box because they have to think by applying (very fast) learning. That is, thinking does not occur "through internal computations" but through interaction with the environment. The argument is that this will enable machines to achieve understanding that J. Searle was asking for.

This proposal is described in this recent writing at IEET:

   http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/nikolic20160108

And a more condensed version is in this TEDx talk:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZMlzMTR6l8


Would you think this effort is helpful for the problem that you are pointing out?

Thank you.

Danko

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If industry has AI pretty well figured out then why are search engines so incapable of thinking outside the box? The conclusion looks inescapable to me. Yes there will be a day when someone makes a significant achievement while the rest of us might miss it completely but the idea that contemporary deep search (or some other AI method) has achieved the hype or the implied conquest that winning at chess and jeopardy seems to imply just does not jive with the computing power Google, Bing or IBM have. There is a substantial disconnect between low level -almost- human reasoning and deep learning. Jim Bromer

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