Right, please no more acronyms... I think you short-change the work that has been done in AGI this century saying "Given the lack of effort and interest in HLAI over the past few decades".... section 5.2 is interesting.... I think there is a place for GOFAI in AGI. I mean, it does work -- it just doesn't do everything!, and won't get you to that "understand" state.
It seems like a good paper. I apologize for not reading the entire works. On 3/18/17, Logan Streondj <[email protected]> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > > > On 2017-03-18 02:08 AM, Ben Goertzel wrote: >> Generally speaking I find most of your methodology and approach >> agreeable... >> >> In your intro, you do sorta underestimate the diversity of the AGI >> R&D community, and also of the (overlapping) symbolic systems and >> cognitive modeling community... which gives the reader your >> approach is more unique than it is. But, whatever.... As a record >> of your own approach and thinking, it's fine... >> >> I would say the general approach you're advocating, at a high >> level, is not that far from the one I've followed.... I had a >> period of "thinking about how the AGI should work" in the 90s, then >> a period of building stuff in the late 90s and early aughts, then a >> period of slowly building stuff while mostly thinking about how it >> should work and designing from 2002 thru 2008 .. and recently more >> building again.... I agree that jumping too fast into >> implementing ideas that aren't fully baked can lead to pathologies >> -- though it can ALSO be a very valuable way of helping one get >> one's ideas refined... > > yeah making time for it can be difficult. > > I have to have bots answering my business phone and reading to my > children, so I can free up some minutes for programming. > > >> >> Chapter 3 of "Engineering General Intelligence, Vol. 1" describes a >> thought experiment regarding how one would make the >> OpenCog/CogPrime architecture carry out the task "Build me >> something I haven't seen before." In that chapter it's a sketch, >> and then in subsequent chapters (largely in Vol. 2) more and more >> particulars are filled in... >> >> Once you get past the stage of figuring out how your AGI >> architecture *would* carry out human-like cognition if it were >> implemented, then you face the fact that implementing such a thing >> is a very large job -- too big for one person to do in a feasible >> amount of time ... and then you face the fact that it's extremely >> hard to get any person or organization who controls a lot of >> resources to put sufficient funds behind an R&D project of this >> nature.... So then what? My choice has been to start >> implementing anyway, but following a path so that the partial >> implementations can still serve some practical value, thus >> obtaining at least some funding from available sources (who are >> almost invariably more interested to fund near term practical >> projects than AGI). The approach seems to be generally working >> but it's sure slower and more complicated than it would be if we >> had a big block of funding just for AGI... >> >> Anyway I certainly don't want to discourage you from going down >> the intellectual path you've outlined, on your own. Thinking >> stuff through for yourself has great merits. OTOH, also you >> should be aware that others have trodden reasonably similar paths >> before and are arguably way further toward the destination... >> >> -- Ben G >> >> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Sean Markan >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi AGI folks, >>> >>> I've written a paper about strategy and methodology for AGI. 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