Richard

But where you (I believe) start to confuse the picture is by selecting an example of an 'emergent' system that is a special case. Hopfield nets are barely complex enough to have any emergent properties: in fact, they were pretty much engineered so that they could be analysed using known laws of statistical physics. So it is no surprise that the behavior of the attractors are subject to some predicatble laws.

Generalizing from Hopfield Nets to the case of a general complex system with emergent properties is just a sleight of hand. HNs are a freak case, in that larger context.

I chose HN's because they were the simplest system I could think of that can fairly be said to involve emergence.

If you look at more complex ANN's as described e.g. in Daniel Amit's book "Modeling Brain Function", then things get more and more subtle and dramatic in terms of the kinds of emergence that are possible.... (Here we have strange attractors, strange transients, and all sorts of fun things happen...)

Amit reviews a series of more and more complex NN models, starting with simple HN's and ending up with networks that are complex enough to carry out arbitrary Turing computations in a purely emergent way (although he doesn't phrase it this way). [I.e., once you have an ANN with an arbitrarily complex strange attractor, then you can consider the different "wings" of the attractor as symbols if you wish to, and view the transition of the dynamics through the attractor as carrying out an arbitrarily complex computation.]

My own view is that the brain utilizes a combination of emergent representations/dynamics, with representations/dynamics that are more directly and obviously tied to the neural level. The Novamente design also has two levels of representation, with ways to communicate/convert between the two.

One feature of my perspective is that it allows me to annoy both the people who like emergence, and the people who dislike it ;-)

-- Ben

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