For an intelligence to know what is possible actions it must model those
and think about those internally, and model that beahavior, and I would
argue that all intelligence is about the behavior that the internal
cognition brings.
You cant really have an intelligence I dont believe without behaviour, can
you have behaviour without some form of intelligence?
The simple act of talking and responding to a question is action and
behavior, and without it, you cant realy determine if something is
intelligent or not.
Memes - It looks like the meme people want to somehow shoehorn "knowledge"
into being a "meme" or memeplex
A *meme* (IPA <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA_chart_for_English>: /miːm/)
is a unit of cultural <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture>
information<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information>that propagates from one mind to
another as a theoretical unit of cultural
evolution <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociocultural_evolution> and
diffusion <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_diffusion>,
analogous<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy>to the way a
gene <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene> propagates from one organism to
another as a unit of genetic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics>information
and evolution.
First it says memes are a "cultural unit" but then go on to encompass just
about all types of information / knowledge.
A generic "information unit" sounds better, and doesnt have to have the
restrictions and/or extra effects that a meme seems to have.
Otherwise welcome to the AGI group, and maybe we can expound on some of
the other thoughts you have.
James
Thanks. Well, I agree that "information unit" would work well also.
However, to some degree I feel that the "extra effects" of meme are
beneficial, even though you cannot interpret those extra effects
litterally. Using "meme" could emphasize that they are created at random in
an evolutionary process, or at least that there is some distributed process
that creates them, which is exactly what I want. Information unit on the
other hand is more general, and could include hand-crafted code made by some
programmer, or data inserted in an expert system.
Also I like meme because it is one word, as opposed to two in "information
unit". I believe it is better to use short words for the most common things
we want to express. Wether it "sounds good" or not I dont know. Beeing swede
it sounds pretty ok to me, but maybe it sounds different to people with
other background.
I believe something could act intelligently without actually beeing
intelligent. Say for example that we program a robot to perform a lot of
hard coded random actions, even without using any sensory data. Even if
incredibly (actually there arent words strong enough) unlikely, there is a
chance that such a robot might go to work and act as a seemingly intelligent
employee of some company during an entire day. However we would know it is
not intelligent.
Also, I would say that a lot of other system classes are not defined based
on their actual "actions". For example, we could determine wether an object
is an airplane even without actually seeing it fly. What we do is to study
its structure, and judge wether it according to our understanding has a
capability to fly in the way airplanes do.
I agree however that this is troublesome for general intelligence, because
turing completeness causes a lot of different definitions to be
computationally equivalent, thus there is no standardized language in which
to describe what is general intelligence. For airplanes it is simple,
because 3D pictures and 2D drawings are quite straightforward. Maybe this
will be easier once we have an example of working AGI.
There is a point though, in that passive AGI systems that just think think
think, but doesnt do anything useful would be of little use :-).
Regards
/Robert Wensman
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