> From: Vladimir Nesov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 6:41 PM, John G. Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > How can the two terms be equivalent? Some may think that they are
> > inseparable, or that one cannot exist without the other, I can
> understand
> > that perspective. But there is a quantitative relationship between the
> two.
> > When you get into strict definitions people get alienated...
> >
> 
> For me, working meaning of consciousness is reflection, or a process
> of memory-formation about the processes going in the mind, which is
> the same thing as learning, since any kind of external information
> must first set in motion a process in the mind in order to be
> perceived. By intelligence, to separate it from knowledge, I
> understand the efficiency of learning. Thus, it can be said that in my
> definitions intelligence is a property of consciousness, but it's
> really unnecessarily confusing to use these way overloaded terms, and
> it's almost meaningless to use them without clarification of what's
> meant in a particular case.
> 

If an agent is shielded from memories about the processes going on in its
own mind that are related to itself, if it is unaware of itself within its
environment is it impossible for it to learn? Does it have to know about
itself at all to be intelligent? Why enable consciousness within an
intelligent system when it just needs to do knowledge work and not be
concerned with itself and related goals such as self-preservation,
self-improvement, etc.. 

John



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