Richard, Linas, David, etc. Let's please move this dialogue to the AGI list (to which I've cc'd this) as I'd prefer to reserve the OpenCog list for discussions that pertain to OpenCog in a more direct way, rather than being of general AGI interest ...
-- Ben On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Linas Vepstas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > 2008/8/1 Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >important > > fact in this case is that if Conway had started out with the intention > > of designing a cellular automaton with a particular set of very specific > > characteristics (which is analogous to the AGI researchers intention to > > build systems with the very specific characteristic of displaying > > stable, human level intelligence), then there is nothing he could have > > done beforehand to "design" or "engineer" his system to make it do what > > he wanted it to do. His only option was random exploration of the space > > of possible systems. > > Bull. > > There are many theorems one can prove about cellular automata, > so one's exploration is hardly "random". You also seem to > vastly underestimate Conway, or are perhaps unfamaliar with > his work: he designed/engineered many rather amazing > systems, and proved many fundamental theorems thereon. > Calling the invention of his "game of life" as a "random > exploration" is a major put-down of his abilities. > > As to the complexity of the game of life: it is now known that > it is equivalent to a turing machine -- it is no more (and no > less) complex than a turing machine, or equivalently, lambda > calculus. Are you implying that a system has to be functionally > equivalent to a turing machine in order to be considered > complex? > > --linas > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "OpenCog General Discussion List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/opencog?hl=en > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- > > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must be first overcome " - Dr Samuel Johnson ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=108809214-a0d121 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
