On 10/29/25 13:33, 4st nomic via agora-business wrote:
> HOT NEW BAD IDEA JUST DROPPED
>
> I submit the following proposal:
> {
> Title: (AI=1.0)
> Author: 4st
> coauthors: kiako, Janet
>
> Amend Rule 2695 "The Veblen" by appending:
> {
> If the Veblen does not exist, any player CAN,
> by announcement, Become All Powerful. When e
> does so, e wins the game, and the Veblen is
> created in eir possession. A player who wins
> in this fashion SHOULD submit a proposal to
> prevent the destruction from arising again.
> }
> }
>
>
I CFJ: At or about 2025-10-29 17:33:59 UTC, 4st submitted a proposal.
Arguments:
{
Is the message at [0] sufficiently ambiguous between (a) the title being
an empty string and an AI of 1.0 being specified, and (b) the title
being "(AI=1.0)" and no AI being specified that attempt fails to meet
the "by announcement standard"?
Note that Promotor's reports, e.g. [1], have started listing proposal
titles as "Title (AI=N)", which may suggest the first, but I'm genuinely
unclear on what was intended here, so I'm leaning towards this being FALSE.
}
Evidence:
{
[0]:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2025-October/054776.html
[1]:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2025-October/018769.html
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Rule 478/42 (Power=3)
Fora
Publicity is a secured forum switch with values Public,
Discussion, and Foreign (default), tracked by the Registrar.
The Registrar CAN change the publicity of a forum without
objection as long as:
1. e sends eir announcement of intent to that forum; and
2. if the forum is to be made public, the announcement by which
the Registrar makes that forum public is sent to all existing
public fora.
Each player should ensure e can receive messages via each public
forum.
A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent to
all players and containing a clear designation of intent to be
public. A rule can also designate that a part of one public
message is considered a public message in its own right. To
"publish" or "announce" something is to send a public message
whose body contains that thing. To do something "publicly" is
to do that thing within a public message.
Where the rules define an action that a person CAN perform "by
announcement", that person performs that action by, in a single
public message, specifying the action and setting forth intent to
perform that action by sending that message, doing both clearly
and unambiguously.
Any action performed by sending a message is performed at the time
date-stamped on that message. Actions in messages (including
sub-messages) are performed in the order they appear in the
message, unless otherwise specified. Allowing actions performed by
sending a message to take place simultaneously must be done
explicitly and is secured at power 2.
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Rule 2350/19 (Power=3)
Proposals
A proposal is a type of entity consisting of a body of text and
other attributes. A player CAN create (syn. submit) a proposal by
announcement, specifying its text and optionally specifying any of
the following attributes:
* An associated title.
* A list of coauthors (which must be persons other than the
author).
* An adoption index.
Creating a proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool. Once a proposal
is created, its text, author, and AI cannot be changed. The author
(syn. proposer) of a proposal is the person who created it.
The author of a proposal in the Proposal Pool CAN remove (syn.
retract, withdraw) it from the Pool by announcement.
The destruction of a proposal and the causing of a proposal to
cease being a proposal are secured. The removal of a proposal from
the Proposal Pool, other than by distribution, is secured.
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}
--
Janet Cobb
Assessor, Rulekeepor
