On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:45 PM, comex<com...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Kerim Aydin<ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: >> No offense taken, I'll be careful of the pattern. Though I'm not sure >> may was an error in the original (when it was a pragmatic "MAY publish" >> with no support issues - the pre-great-repeals legal system had a lot >> of Kelly-influenced "if you pragmatically publish it (which you can >> do naturally), it will be called a Notice, but it's an Invalid Notice >> if you do it wrong". So I think it is just an old style thing. > > I wasn't around for that. Hopefully the recent R2125
amendment will clarify such situations in the future... D'y'think I should enable the Undo Send lab? :p Though (to desert the original topic entirely) I think the entire definition of sending messages is a mess. Until recently, there weren't even clear precedents to the effect that actions are truth-evaluable, and now with formal acting on behalf it is possible to send messages whose precise text is undetermined (I think there would have been quite a debate over this if my interpretation of R2263 "equivalent" hadn't been rejected; whether the perceived bug was scammable would be based on whether it was possible to change the legal author of a real message, as opposed to creating a simulated message with the same text.). The gap between "new-style" and "old-style" (e.g. the NoV rule versus the criminal case rule immediately prior to rests) is a symptom of this. Some actions are true actions performed by announcement, while others occur as a result of publishing things, sometimes for no apparent reason-- look at the definition of a Supporter. The whole system would be simpler if either everything were a message, or, more practically, everything were an action. If all mentions of publication could be changed to announcements, even, say, reports, represented as something like "You CAN submit a specified document as a report by announcement," then actions could have authors independently of messages, and we wouldn't need simulated messages or weird interactions between MAY and CAN. -- -c.
