I invoke judgement on whether or not Goethe's transfers succeeded.
Judgement: FALSE (did not succeed)
On 21/06/2013 11:37 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
My arguments: For the first group of transfers: "Transfer" is not the same as "give". It implies conveyance, but there are three parties involved: the giver, the recipient, and the courier. The rule says the courier and the recipient must be different. There is no explicit reason to suppose that the giver and the courier need be the same. Also, while points are indeed "regulated", this regulation extends to allowing transfers, and the rules don't *forbid* the courier from specifying another source for the transfer, so R116 might generally allow it.
I don't accept this. If the phrase doesn't say otherwise, it means "from yourself". I'd say this is normal use of the words. R116 doesn't help because of R202.
For my final transfer: This is testing whether "points", by common sense&tc., are considered 'physical things' (restricted to non-negative integers), or whether they represent position on a number line (and can go negative). "Points" are used in both manners in many games so there's no great set of precedents or definitions to say whether going negative is possible.
It's more than just whether points can go negative. They can in fact, e.g. R211 used to deduct 10 points for a failed proposal, and would have even if you had 0 points. Also R215.
It still needs to be argued whether R306 gives permission to transfer an arbitrarily large number of points, or whether you can only transfer points you have. While there are a great many games that let your score go negative, I think you'll have trouble finding games that allow arbitrarily large transfers.
One can also think of a bank balance, which can go negative, and yet you cannot transfer what you don't have, and that is what I'm going with.
I admit to having doubts about this one, because "game custom and the spirit of the game" are supposed to trump other standards, and I sense the spirit of the game is quite literalist. My excuse is that, in Agora Blitz, maybe we can let players omit the detailed legislation we might expect of normal Agora, due to the speed, and just use common sense to fill in the blanks.
(This does not test possible fractional quantities, maybe the judge can also answer whether points are integral, rational, real, complex, or what, given the current rules).
No minimum division was specified. A number tracked to a reasonable precision I guess.
-Judge Dan
