"Ghost" Rulesets like the one we have now are disorientating.

Proto:
Merge Assesor and Rulekeepor, and have them publish the new ruleset once a
proposal amending it is enacted.

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 10:56 PM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Judge's arguments for CFJ 3532:
>
> This call for judgment inquires whether the "existing solely" clause
> (hereinafter The Clause) of Rule 2166, which defines assets, prevents
> assets
> referenced by multiple rules from existing. I turn first to the relevant
> text
> of the rule, which is as follows:
>
>   An asset is an entity defined as such by a rule (hereafter its backing
>   document), and existing solely because its backing document defines its
>   existence.
>
> Clearly The Clause prevents, say, the sun from being defined as an asset.
> This
> is good, because if the sun could be an asset the rules might make it
> destructible, and then we'd be forced to accept, for game purposes, that
> there
> was no sun. It would be even more problematic if we accepted persons, and
> therefore players, as assets. Obviously the rules are free to make such
> definitions anyway (although we might argue over whether they would have
> any
> effect, considering the interests of the game). However, in the past
> we've allowed contracts to define assets, explaining the necessity of such
> restrictions.
>
> The Clause prevents another class of situations as well. It prevents
> two different rules from defining the same asset. In older forms, it has
> done
> the same for a rule and a contract (CFJs 1922-1923). The question raised
> here is
> whether even referencing an asset would create such a situation. This
> raises
> interesting questions about the way we interpret the rules. It has long
> been
> understood that even if a term used in the rules is undefined, we are
> obliged to
> try our best to figure out what it means. Thus, even without the rule
> defining
> shinies, we would "interpret them into existence". Without shinies, pending
> would be impossible, and we would be unable to pay out salaries, among
> other
> problems. So, it is apparent that we might consider shinies existent even
> without the intervention of their defining rule, arguably triggering The
> Clause.
>
> The historical interpretation of The Clause, however, does not support this
> argument. There are no precedents that clearly apply to this situation,
> although
> in CFJ 3381 the Honorable Judge ais523 appears to assume in passing that
> such
> things are possible. But our current situation is not unprecedented, there
> are
> merely no applicable _judicial_ precedents. Rule 2166 is not a new rule.
> It was,
> in fact, a rather aged rule at time it was repealed, and it only seems new
> to
> us because of its recent reenactment. One example of a similar situation
> is the
> point, which was the general unit of currency under this [1] ruleset. I
> can find
> no record of anyone complaining that they didn't exist.
>
> If we were to ignore history, would we find? Well, the idea that we
> interpret
> terms in the rules in a way that gives them effect is largely a matter of
> tradition. No rule says that, in the absence of a definition from either
> conventional English or the rules, we have to try to interpret the rules
> the way
> they are intended to be read. Another consideration is the interests of the
> game; certainly it would seem to be in the game's best interest to have a
> definition for shinies, and all of the clarifications of their behavior
> that
> come with it.
>
> I know all the Platonists (if that is the right term, perhaps Logicians
> would
> be better) in the crowd out jeering at me for refusing to consider the
> matter
> logically, a priori, from the wording on up. I will therefore close with
> two
> arguments that I hope will placate them. First, the doctrine that the
> rules and
> the terms in them must be given meaning in accordance with common sense
> exists
> to make the game playable. If every typo or invented but undefined term
> stopped
> the game, then the game would long since have ended. We have to keep
> playing,
> and in order to keep playing, we often need to interpret the rules the way
> they
> are intended to be read. The core thesis of the doctrine is that the rules
> need
> to have their common sense meaning; using it to rob the rules of what they
> are
> plainly intended to mean violates that principle. It would essentially be
> using
> the doctrine to violate its own basis for existence.
>
> Second, and perhaps most convincingly, the argument that the rules conflict
> with each other is only valid under circumstances that are themselves
> internally
> inconsistent. If we view the rules Platonically/logically, then only one
> rule
> attempts to define assets. If we consider the rules Pragmatically/legally,
> then
> their common sense intent shines through. It is only when we look at one
> rule
> one way and another rule another way that a contradiction between rules
> arises.
> As it is a longstanding principle of rule interpretation that, if
> reasonably
> possible, we will attempt to construe the rules so that no contradiction
> occurs,
> it is sensible to here use the only consistent interpretation, which also
> happens to be the only one that doesn't violate the plain meaning of any of
> the rules in question.
>
> I conclude my judgment by noting that there may in fact be one judicial
> precedent that has some real bearing on this situation. Once there was a
> contract that defined an asset called a "prop". I don't really know the
> details
> of the situation, but even after the contract stopped existing, people
> still
> acted like props existed. They were informally handed around and reported
> on,
> as if they still existed. Later that contract was brought back, and a CFJ
> was
> called to inquire into whether The Clause prevented them from being assets.
> I realize that this is completely different from our current situation, and
> that principles of rule interpretation are stronger and more established
> than most informal traditions. Still, both are matters of tradition and
> the collective imagination, and the fact remains that the one line verdict
> of CFJ 2344, which to the best of my knowledge has not been overturned,
> judged
> that props were a valid asset.
>
> I judge CFJ 3532 TRUE.
>
> [1] https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/
> agora-official/2008-July/004749.html
>
> -Aris
>

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