But it doesn't exist. It can just potentially exist. Just because 'a rotten banana' or 'a Murphy trust token' are validly described and plausibly existent things doesn't mean an instantiation currently exists, that you have access to that instantiation, or that you can create that instantiation.
On Jul 20, 2017 08:38, "Cuddle Beam" <cuddleb...@gmail.com> wrote: > It kind of reminds me when I tried to give myself a "Badge that doesn't > exist yet" (R2415: Any player CAN award a badge that does not yet exist) > with a bunch of overpowered things because a badge with those overpowered > things actually doesn't exist - so I can attempt to grant such an > impossible badge. > > Although in the badge case it was more of trying to create stuff that > doesn't exist while this Trust Token thing is for things that does exist > (in certain circumstances) and trying to use the breadth of "a X" to access > it. > > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Cuddle Beam <cuddleb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I don't force anyone to create tokens. I agree with that, with this >> method, I can't make anyone give anything. I attempt to create a token such >> that would have the same characteristics as if that person had >> created/granted it (which would be a type of Token, given that I can grant >> "a Token", which can be a Blue Token, a Fuzzy one - but those kind of can't >> exist by virtue of the ruleset right now, but a token of the kind that, for >> example, you could create, is a kind of Token that the Ruleset could >> generate, and that's the kind of Token I attempt to grant, because it's "a >> Token"). >> >> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Nicholas Evans <nich...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> But nobody else created them. You're only claiming they did. I point my >>> finger at CB for violation of No Faking. E can't possibly believe e can >>> force otger players to create tokens. >>> >>> On Jul 20, 2017 08:25, "Cuddle Beam" <cuddleb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I'd prefer to spend a CFJ slot be spent but it's not an urgent CFJ at >>>> all. I'm be up for retracting it if you pledge that you'll resubmit it when >>>> the CFJ queue is empty enough (and if the economy eventually makes CFJs >>>> have a price, I'll refund you). >>>> >>>> The reasoning is a bit offshore, though, definitely. But a Trust Token >>>> that someone else has created *is* still "a Trust Token", after all. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Alex Smith <ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 2017-07-20 at 15:07 +0200, Cuddle Beam wrote: >>>>> > Note R2452: "Any player can issue a Trust Token to another person by >>>>> > announcement." >>>>> > >>>>> > Be a TrustToken[A, B] a Trust Token such that player A would issue to >>>>> > player B if A posted a message of "I grant a Trust Token to B", >>>>> where B is >>>>> > Player B's name, to a-b; >>>>> > >>>>> > Once, for each player except Murphy, I issue a Trust Token[A, B] to >>>>> Murphy, >>>>> > where A is that player and B is Murphy, to Murphy. >>>>> >>>>> I don't think it holds up to logical scrutiny (or any kind of common >>>>> sense) that you can create something in such a way that it was created >>>>> by someone else. Or to put it another way, it's impossible to create an >>>>> object with an arbitrary history, because history doesn't work like >>>>> that. >>>>> >>>>> Will you retract the CFJ, or do I really have to assign it? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ais523 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >
