Gratituous arguments: You need to "publish a notice" to vote. R478/Fora says:
'A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent to all players and containing a clear designation of intent to be public. [...] A person "publishes" or "announces" something by sending a public message.' The message does not need to be sent to all players, it merely needs to be sent via a public forum, and presumably it doesn't need to be received by all players (excerpt from the same rule): 'Each player should ensure e can receive messages via each public forum.' Clearly, the _receiving_ player is responsible for making sure e can receive messages, not the sender or the Registrar. ~Corona On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 8:09 PM, ATMunn <iamingodsa...@gmail.com> wrote: > I CFJ on the following statement: > > Before the sending of this message, ATMunn voted FOR proposal 8053. > > No caller's arguments because I have no clue what I'd argue for and how. > > And just in case this ends up being FALSE, I vote FOR proposals 8053-8057. > > On 6/23/2018 6:01 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > Actually, I wonder if the problems mightn't run even deeper than that. I > don't think "I do the same thing as the last X people in > > this thread" necessarily implies "I do the same thing as the last X > > people in this thread _did in this thread_". Aris, V.J. Rada and I > > have all previously performed actions other than voting on these > > proposals, and "the same thing" (singular) is too ambiguous to > > distinguish any of those actions from the votes. So I would argue > > neither ATMunn nor Trigon, let alone Corona, have voted on these five > > proposals. > > > > -twg > > > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > > > On June 23, 2018 9:33 PM, Alex Smith <ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Sat, 2018-06-23 at 23:25 +0200, Corona wrote: > >> > >>> I'm not using infinite regression. I'm basing my vote on the next > >>> > >>> (hypothetical) player to vote, who would vote "I do the same as the > last > >>> > >>> six people in this thread", the six people being Aris, VJ Rada, twg, > >>> > >>> ATMunn, Trigon (who all voted FOR all proposals) and me. > >>> > >>> Thus the only way for their conditional vote to resolve as FOR all > >>> > >>> proposals is for my conditional vote to resolve as FOR all proposals > (if I > >>> > >>> voted differently, their conditional vote would be indeterminate and > >>> > >>> default to PRESENT). > >> > >> Either you've done the same thing as the other people or you've done > >> > >> something different. > >> > >> If we're assuming that you've done something different, "I do the same > >> > >> as the last six people in the thread" won't do anything because it's > >> > >> too ambiguous. > >> > >> If we're assuming that you've done something that's the same, then > >> > >> you've made a conditional vote. So the next person, who's doing > >> > >> something the same as everyone else (including you) is therefore making > >> > >> a conditional vote, based on the hypothetical person after them. > >> > >> If you're arguing "but it's only me who made a conditional vote, the > >> > >> other people didn't!" then you're arguing that you've done something > >> > >> that's relevantly different from the other people in the thread, and as > >> > >> such your hypothetical can't possibly succeed. > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> > ais523 > > >
