No, the economy shouldn't be optional. The only way to encourage engagement with it is to make it unoptional in some way, which it really isn't now. CFJs should always be free. Proposals can and should be interacted with. Paper is a super feels-bad unfun way to do it. Better, though, than nothing.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Unless a consensus forms one way or the other, I'll implement your > paper removal suggestion in a separate proposal contingent on this one > passing. > > As for the economic argument, I disagree, for reasons I really should > have spelled out when submitting the proposal. The problem isn't that > people don't have enough paper. The problem is that people have to use > paper in the first place. When an action has a cost, someone is much > less likely to take it, even if the cost is actually relatively minor. > [1] [2] Every time I write a proposal, I think "Is this really worth > one of my two monthly papers?" I would write many more proposals if > that thought didn't enter my head. IIRC V.J. Rada has also mentioned > this problem. Look at CFJ calling rates before and after they became > free. I'll bet that they skyrocketed; I certainly know I've called > many more CFJs recently. A player shouldn't even have to think about a > cost when they pend a proposal. The limit of five isn't much of an > inconvenience, because a) it's huge; b) it resets every week; c) the > Promotor or another player can always pend a proposal for you, and has > every incentive to do so (right now it's pretty much charity if > someone does that); and d) it's not phrased as an economic cost. The > combination of those factors means that it feels less like a price, > and more like a tacked on limitation, which I for one would not > regularly worry about. > > I hope that my explanation and two proposal solution might be enough > to convince you to at least vote PRESENT? > > -Aris > > [1] https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Bestiary_of_Behavioral_ > Economics/Zero_Price > [2] https://www.behavioraleconomics.com/mini- > encyclopedia-of-be/zero-price-effect/ > On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 11:21 PM Reuben Staley <reuben.sta...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > This would be fine but it completely nullifies paper. A better way to do > > this while preserving the economy would be to get rid of paper and looms > > then add lumber to the list of unrefinable resources. Also, everyone gets > > paper once a month so participation in the economy is completely optional > > still. And if anyone somehow uses up all their paper, I can just give you > > some. Though that's not going to happen anytime soon because paper is > being > > consumed slower than it's being produced. All in all, there are quite a > few > > things wrong with this proposal that would prevent me from voting for it. > > > > On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, 23:58 Aris Merchant <thoughtsoflifeandlight17@ > gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > I've gotten sick and tired of restrictions being placed on gameplay to > > > force people into economies. I have no objection to the economy > > > affecting ordinary play, but it should be truly optional. I love how > > > these days people CFJ whenever they have a concern, without worrying > > > about it cutting into their reserves. Proposals are a contribution to > > > the game. Most of them try to make gameplay better for everyone. We > > > should not discourage people from contributing; if anything, we should > > > reward them. > > > > > > This is deliberately minimal. I'm leaving paper in place to allow it > > > to be repurposed for something else. People should not spam proposals, > > > so my proposals allows five pends per week. The Promotor gets another > > > five for other people's proposals, on the assumption that e will use > > > them to pend proposals that players have forgotten to pend, or if > > > another player legitimately bumps into eir cap. > > > > > > I submit the following proposal. I'm going to pend it unless someone > > > finds a technical problem, or we decide on a better solution to the > > > paper situation. > > > > > > -Aris > > > --- > > > Title: Free Proposals > > > Adoption index: 1.0 > > > Author: Aris > > > Co-authors: > > > > > > Change Rule 2445, "How to Pend a Proposal", to read in full: > > > > > > Imminence is a switch, tracked by the Promotor, possessed by > > > proposals in the Proposal Pool, whose value is either "pending" or > > > "not pending" (default). > > > > > > Any player CAN flip a specified proposal's imminence to "pending" > > > by announcement, but cannot use this method more than five times > > > each week. The first five proposals pended by the Promotor of which e > > > is not the author do not count against eir weekly limit. > > > > -- >From V.J. Rada
