I realise I'm a relatively new player and don't have much of an informed opinion on anything, but to throw in my tuppenceworth, I like the idea of G.'s suggestions below. Uncoupling PAoaM from other parts of the game (paper and incense) means people who don't like it can ignore it and work towards different win conditions, and introducing a win condition specifically for PAoaM creates a "lightning rod" like Corona described, to prevent one person dominating.
I would also include refineries in the list of things to remove. I think there are good uses for an official Agoran currency, but having it producible through this one subgame seems wildly unbalanced. It feels like coins existed beforehand as a core game mechanic and were inexpertly grandfathered into PAoaM. (I admit I can't be bothered to look through the archives to check whether that's the case.) I would prefer to keep reforming/tweaking instead of repealing PAoaM, because the resource management aspect is genuinely fun in itself despite the implementation issues, but even if we agree to repeal it altogether, the current proposal goes too far. Like V.J. Rada said, zombies, auctions and coins don't seem to be causing many problems in themselves (at least now that zombies have been nerfed). Since you ask, I'm not currently experiencing Treasuror burnout, but I've only been doing it for two weeks so that doesn't mean a great deal for its long-term viability. -twg ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On July 6, 2018 8:08 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > > Not to interfere with electioneering or anything, but I'll throw out an > > outline "what might work" but I'm genuinely split on whether to scrap it > > all or reform as follows: > > - Get rid of paper and incense (as already proposed) and their > > corresponding facilities. > > - The only link between "land/economy" and "rest of the game" is thus > > zombie votes or other zombie uses. > > - Replace with a 3 new refined commodity path to a win condition (for the > > skin, crystals as already proposed, or we go Age of Empires with > > Monuments). > > - Calling the three commodities Red, Blue, and Green for the moment, if > > they are produced at the same rate as coins in refineries, the right > > level (to me) feels ~2500 of each -> Monument -> win. > > - Some land distribution for everyone who participates, not just auction > > winners (as already proposed). > > I think that could work theoretically (can't remember how similar these > > ideas are to crystals or Trigon's draft reforms). The reason I'm on the > > fence is that, if there's a full reset, I'm just feeling too burned out > > ATM to take the months to build from scratch again, and if there's not a > > full reset I recognize others might not bother to jump in. I think the > > deciding factor for would be officer enthusiasm - if Trigon and twg are > > burned out (Trigon seems to be), and no other reasonably-experienced > > officer steps forward ahead of time, time to forget it -- no matter what > > reforms we make, this complex system lives and dies by absolutely-timely > > and enthusiastic reports/duties. > > On Fri, 6 Jul 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > > > > I will note that I'm trying to get a consensus for some solution to our > > > > present problems. [1] I've made clear my thoughts on what I think that > > > > solution should be, regarding one particular issue, but I'll respect the > > > > consensus process. No one else has commented though. So please, come > > > > comment and tell us what kind of solution you want. I'm really not sure > > > > what solutions are popular and rightly guided at the moment, so it's hard > > > > to know what I should support. At least I'm trying to figure out what > > > > Agorans want. > > > > Also, my apologies for calling our problems a crisis. That was perhaps > > > > somewhat hyperbolic. I do think we have serious problems though, because > > > > several players have commented that they're not enjoying a major part of > > > > gameplay. I want to solve that problem. I want players to enjoy playing the > > > > game. If elected, I will try to figure out what the players want, and use > > > > my power as Prime Minister to ensure that their will is carried out. > > > > My honorable competitor has not demonstrated initiative in solving our > > > > present problems. I thought of some solutions. People rather seem to > > > > dislike at least the idea of repealing the whole economy, and are very > > > > split on my other solution. My response to this has been twofold. First, I > > > > have continued to push hard for the least destructive part of my solution. > > > > Votes are very closely split on the matter, so it's hard to say that the > > > > policy is actually unpopular. Second, I have asked for comments on what to > > > > do, as detailed above. I would ask my honorable competitor what e has done > > > > to help work through our current problems. > > > > [1] > > > > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-discussion/2018-July/051528.html > > > > -Aris > > > > On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 3:58 AM Corona liliumalbum.ag...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > I become a candidate for Prime Minister. > > > > > > Platform: Not being the other guy, who currently supports unpopular and > > > > > > somewhat misguided reforms. > > > > > > ~Corona > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 8:43 AM, Aris Merchant < > > > > > > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:04 PM Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > As Prime Minister, I initiate an election for Prime Minister. > > > > > > > > > > I resign the office of Prime Minister. > > > > > > > > I announce my candidacy for the office. > > > > > > > > Platform: I will attempt to channel the consensus process into finding a > > > > > > > > solution to the present crisis, and assist in the implementation of > > > > > > > > whatever the agreed upon solution is. > > > > > > > > -Aris > > > > > > > > >
