By the way I hope everyone knows I will call all future CFJs with magic
about how it is possible to do something just in case of indeterminacy

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:32 PM Rebecca <edwardostra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh yes, that in 2166 will do it. Fine, I retract my two most recent CFJs
> and destroy my most recent contract. I could just re-CFJ the original CFJ
> with slightly different magic words phrasing but that would risk
> IRRELEVANCE (for duplication and no change in current game state). hmmmm
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 11:28 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 5/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote:
>> > I create a contract with the following text
>> >
>> > "Any player may become a party to this contract. Any party  to this
>> > contract may act on behalf of R. Lee to trasnfer one coin away from em
>> to
>> > emselves. The previous sentence is void and has no effect if a rule
>> titled
>> > "A coin award" was enacted and awarded R. Lee one coin after its
>> enactment,
>> > and then repealed itself. For the avoidance of ambiguity, the current
>> > position of the said coin does not matter for the purposes of this
>> > contract."
>>
>> Gratuitous:
>>
>> You can't do this with a contract, in the way you can't make a paradox by
>> conditional announcement (e.g. "If this statement is false, I transfer a
>> coin").
>>
>> I'll find the precedent before I assign the case, but in R2166 this part:
>> "An asset's backing document can generally specify when and how that asset
>> is created, destroyed, and transferred." uses "specify" which does not
>> allow for indeterminate conditionals - those are unclear and fail.
>>
>> The sole reason it worked in the previous version is the "text of the
>> rules has precedence" concept.  (I had some text about this in CFJ 3828 to
>> explain why doing it by-rule would lead to paradox but doing it
>> by-proposal, without a rule, would outright fail, but it seemed like a
>> digression and I cut it).
>>
>> So if it's in a rule, paradoxical conditionals are still "resolved" as
>> indeterminate because those texts have special status.  But contracts,
>> like announcements, don't, so they fail if they don't clearly specify
>> (without ambiguity OR indeterminacy).
>>
>> This is why you have to be more careful of voting for rules texts than
>> when creating other types of backing documents.
>>
>>
>>
>
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> From R. Lee
>


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