This is silly for the following reasons. Actions like "With T notice" are
called, by the ruleset, DEPENDENT ACTIONS. What do these actions depend on?
They depend on a specific set of conditions being met, in this case 7 days
passing. What does it mean to depend on objections? To have, in the
conditions for the DEPENDENT ACTION to work, the absence of objections as a
condition.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 11:59 AM Jason Cobb via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> I CFJ: "An action to be performed with 7 days notice depends on
> objections."
>
> I bar nch, although I believe R. Lee also has self-interest.
>
>
> Evidence:
>
> {
>
> Rule 2124/26 [Excerpt]:
>
> > The above notwithstanding, if an action depends on objections, and
> > an objection to an intent to perform it has been withdrawn within
> > the past 24 hours, then Agora is not Satisfied with that intent.
> >
> > The above notwithstanding, Agora is not satisfied with an intent
> > if the Speaker has objected to it in the last 48 hours.
>
>
> Dictionary definition of "define":
>
> [0]: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/depend
>
> }
>
>
> Arguments:
>
> {
>
> What it means for an action to "depend on objections" is not defined in
> the rules. This means that it has its common language meaning. The word
> at issue is "depend". Merriam-Webster [0] defines "depend" as an
> intransitive verb meaning:
>
> 1. to be determined, based, or contingent
>
> 2. to be pending or undecided
>
> 3. a. to place reliance or trust
>
> b. to be dependent especially for financial support
>
> 4. to hang down
>
>
> I believe definition 1 here makes the most sense in context. I see two
> ways to interpret an action "depending on objections" - it either must
> require objects to be performable, or it must be affected by objections.
> The former makes no sense - no dependent action requires objections in
> order to be actionable, which would mean the clause has no effect. This
> leaves the second reading - the action "depends on objections" if
> objections affect whether it can be performed.
>
> An action to be performed with 7 days notice is affected by the presence
> or absence of objections. In particular, it is affected by the presence
> of an objection from the Speaker, who can veto an action for 48 hours by
> objecting. This is consistent with a common language reading - the
> effectiveness of an action to be performed with 7 days action is, in
> part, "determined" by, "based" on, or "contingent" upon, the presence or
> absence of an objection. Because of this, I argue that an action to be
> performed with 7 days notice "depends on objections" and argue for TRUE.
>
> }
>
> --
> Jason Cobb
>
>
--
>From R. Lee
